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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
@ 2022-05-30 14:45 Chen Bin
  2022-05-30 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Chen Bin @ 2022-05-30 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 55729

Run below code in both Emacs 28.1 and Emacs 27.1

;; Run "base64 /dev/urandom | head -c 3000000000 > 3g.txt" to create 3g.txt
;; Then run below code in Emacs,
(setq content
      (with-temp-buffer
        (let ((coding-system-for-read 'utf-8-unix))
          (insert-file-contents "3g.txt"))
        (buffer-string)))

(message "content length=%s" (length content))
(let* ((gc-cons-threshold most-positive-fixnum))
  (message "%s vs %s"
           (benchmark-run-compiled 1
             (string-match "aaaaa" content))
           (benchmark-run-compiled 1
             (string-match "bbbbb" content))))

Using same machine, same emacs setup, 28 is alwasy much slower than 27.

Emacs 28 enables native compilation. But string-match is C API, so I'm not
sure native compilation matters.

In GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
 of 2021-11-27, modified by Debian built on x86-csail-01
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid

Recent messages:
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-- 
Best Regards,
Chen Bin

--
Help me, help you





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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
  2022-05-30 14:45 bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1 Chen Bin
@ 2022-05-30 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
  2022-05-30 15:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-05-31  1:04 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-30 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chen Bin; +Cc: 55729

Chen Bin <chenbin.sh@gmail.com> writes:

> Run below code in both Emacs 28.1 and Emacs 27.1
>
> ;; Run "base64 /dev/urandom | head -c 3000000000 > 3g.txt" to create 3g.txt
> ;; Then run below code in Emacs,
>
> Using same machine, same emacs setup, 28 is alwasy much slower than 27.

On my system:

Emacs-27          (0.032783519 0 0.0) vs (0.093436952 0 0.0)
Emacs-28 (latest) (0.037079772999999996 0 0.0) vs (0.162106006 0 0.0)
Emacs-29 (latest) (0.03358834 0 0.0) vs (0.15387368299999998 0 0.0)

Best,
Ihor





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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
  2022-05-30 14:45 bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1 Chen Bin
  2022-05-30 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2022-05-30 15:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-05-30 15:10   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-05-30 15:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
  2022-05-31  1:04 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-05-30 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chen Bin; +Cc: 55729

Chen Bin <chenbin.sh@gmail.com> writes:

> Using same machine, same emacs setup, 28 is alwasy much slower than 27.

How much slower?

I tried your test, and the results were within a few percentages of each
other in 27.1 and 28.1.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
  2022-05-30 15:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-05-30 15:10   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-05-30 15:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-05-30 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chen Bin; +Cc: 55729

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> How much slower?

D'oh -- you said so in the subject.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
  2022-05-30 15:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-05-30 15:10   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-05-30 15:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
  2022-05-30 16:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-05-30 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: chenbin.sh, 55729

> Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org>
> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org
> Cc: 55729@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 17:09:58 +0200
> 
> Chen Bin <chenbin.sh@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Using same machine, same emacs setup, 28 is alwasy much slower than 27.
> 
> How much slower?
> 
> I tried your test, and the results were within a few percentages of each
> other in 27.1 and 28.1.

With a 3GB file being inserted non-literally, there could be factors
at work here that are entirely unrelated to processing speed.  The
implementation of string-match basically didn't change between Emacs
27 and Emacs 28, AFAICT.





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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
  2022-05-30 15:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-05-30 16:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-05-30 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: larsi, chenbin.sh; +Cc: 55729

> Cc: chenbin.sh@gmail.com, 55729@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 18:58:17 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> > I tried your test, and the results were within a few percentages of each
> > other in 27.1 and 28.1.
> 
> With a 3GB file being inserted non-literally, there could be factors
> at work here that are entirely unrelated to processing speed.  The
> implementation of string-match basically didn't change between Emacs
> 27 and Emacs 28, AFAICT.

Here's one random thought: were both Emacs 27 and Emacs 28 compiled
with the same compiler version, and do they both use the same version
of the Standard C Library?





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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
  2022-05-30 14:45 bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1 Chen Bin
  2022-05-30 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
  2022-05-30 15:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-05-31  1:04 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2022-05-31  2:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2022-05-31  1:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chen Bin; +Cc: 55729

Chen Bin <chenbin.sh@gmail.com> writes:

> Run below code in both Emacs 28.1 and Emacs 27.1
>
> ;; Run "base64 /dev/urandom | head -c 3000000000 > 3g.txt" to create 3g.txt
> ;; Then run below code in Emacs,
> (setq content
>       (with-temp-buffer
>         (let ((coding-system-for-read 'utf-8-unix))
>           (insert-file-contents "3g.txt"))
>         (buffer-string)))
>
> (message "content length=%s" (length content))
> (let* ((gc-cons-threshold most-positive-fixnum))
>   (message "%s vs %s"
>            (benchmark-run-compiled 1
>              (string-match "aaaaa" content))
>            (benchmark-run-compiled 1
>              (string-match "bbbbb" content))))
>
> Using same machine, same emacs setup, 28 is alwasy much slower than 27.
>
> Emacs 28 enables native compilation. But string-match is C API, so I'm not
> sure native compilation matters.

Did you disable compiler optimizations when building Emacs?





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* bug#55729: 27.1; Emacs 28.1 `string-match' is five times slower than Emacs 27.1
  2022-05-31  1:04 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2022-05-31  2:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-05-31  2:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: chenbin.sh, 55729-done

> Cc: 55729@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 09:04:13 +0800
> From:  Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> Chen Bin <chenbin.sh@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Run below code in both Emacs 28.1 and Emacs 27.1
> >
> > ;; Run "base64 /dev/urandom | head -c 3000000000 > 3g.txt" to create 3g.txt
> > ;; Then run below code in Emacs,
> > (setq content
> >       (with-temp-buffer
> >         (let ((coding-system-for-read 'utf-8-unix))
> >           (insert-file-contents "3g.txt"))
> >         (buffer-string)))
> >
> > (message "content length=%s" (length content))
> > (let* ((gc-cons-threshold most-positive-fixnum))
> >   (message "%s vs %s"
> >            (benchmark-run-compiled 1
> >              (string-match "aaaaa" content))
> >            (benchmark-run-compiled 1
> >              (string-match "bbbbb" content))))
> >
> > Using same machine, same emacs setup, 28 is alwasy much slower than 27.
> >
> > Emacs 28 enables native compilation. But string-match is C API, so I'm not
> > sure native compilation matters.
> 
> Did you disable compiler optimizations when building Emacs?

Yes.  Here's the response (sent only to myself):

> From: Chen Bin <chenbin.sh@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 04:53:55 +1000
> 
> Thanks for the heads up.
> 
> I double checked my build script and found I forgot to setup `-O2'
> CFLAG. Sorry to bother you guys with such my mistake. 
> 
> It's all good now.

So I'm closing this bug.





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