From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62750: 29.0.50; Commands 'package-update' and 'package-update-all' should be called '*-upgrade' Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:35:48 +0000 Message-ID: <87fs95a6y3.fsf@posteo.net> References: <2726a957-a2a8-3b89-8930-2d620d83491e@alphapapa.net> <83sfd7c1v1.fsf@gnu.org> <875ya3euof.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39997"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Adam Porter , Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , 62750@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 12 09:45:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pmVAV-000A7Y-P5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:44:21 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 11 Apr 2023 17:40:05 -0400") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259706 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> I don't think that "update" and "upgrade" have that clear of a semantic >>>> difference in practice to necessitate a renaming. >>> I'd tend to agree. >> >> Here's an argument in favor of renaming: >> >> These commands use the term 'update'. But package-menu-mark-upgrades, which >> has been in package.el for years, uses the term 'upgrade' in its name and >> its docstring ("all upgradable packages", etc). There are a few auxiliary >> functions which also use that term, but this is the public-facing one. I have to admit that I didn't even notice that the command used the word upgrade... Probably because I only invoked it using the binding, though I do get the point with it being inconsistent. >> So now we have divergent terminology. Which implies that there is some >> difference between "upgrading" and "updating" in package.el, while there >> is none. > > Good point. > > It's annoyingly late to rename, but if we rename without compatibility > aliases (which seems to be an option since these are new in Emacs-29), > then I'd be in favor. What are compatibility aliases? I must have missed something? > Stefan