From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:56:45 +0000 Message-ID: <87fs6sjvg2.fsf@localhost> References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@posteo.net> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> <12eb3b7e-f944-6a96-cfb9-285891d659ca@gutov.dev> <87v8foagbv.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26689"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Dmitry Gutov , 63800@debbugs.gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 15 22:52:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q9tx7-0006ds-DU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 22:52:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q9twz-0008RN-9A; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:52:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q9twy-0008RF-9J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:52:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q9twn-0000vT-QL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:52:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q9twn-0002Im-M7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:52:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63800 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63800-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63800.16868623208841 (code B ref 63800); Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2023 20:52:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48035 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q9twm-0002IX-0Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:52:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:48089) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q9twj-0002IH-TK for 63800@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:51:58 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E067240103 for <63800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 22:51:52 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1686862312; bh=cSff7Bx2pUwQrGMTRka9sDzY5CaEknqRCoMpuH6Z6fQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=Hex5MYPKoNrfg5uVKOb92e4F/gJABKu41Rn+SeDwrFbhElUTBlEBOvYvBep2l6b++ 2Av1sWJ/0S2cE8yAYXrUjU+luxyO34eemoioyXfNaNUykBGAOtD5PM/Wcv0Yb2AhUd CiSRfgEBTFAkey47vOTrZ3Aiu9o0qS8n1WMGibrMJM2KP5/uqtvCFmrbC/6d38hNRV 2PayxW05CHeJGSidb0f3rRx3LaKe7yb30MM5KYATWyJcOnsJh7WCCiBgySw7PKLPtc nfxs7nLRJ48PDKL7j1T++NQl6DMsJ0TOBezYCIolpocmWU6WrRsv9sSeExvPm1SwGd j312KtR2mLcYw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Qhvbq1QYfz9rxF; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 22:51:51 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87v8foagbv.fsf@posteo.net> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:263436 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: >> Perhaps a simpler alternative is to stop referencing 'package-install' >> and instead point uses to 'M-x list-packages'. > > I think this would be better as well. A lot of users don't even know > what version they use, so we should have to describe how to find that > out as well. I hope that we do not have a situation on ELPA where a package cannot be installed at all on older Emacs. > ... And if that isn't enough, we would also have to explain > what core, built-in and ELPA packages are, and how they interact. Not > worth it, IMO. I think it is still worth mentioning that some packages may already be shipped with Emacs. I do not feel too strongly about this though. I am OK with changing the installation/upgrade instructions to M-x list-packages for built-in packages. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at