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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, 66117@debbugs.gnu.org,
	"Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#66117: 30.0.50; `find-buffer-visiting' is slow when opening large number of buffers
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 14:32:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fs06w4ui.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83fs06rz10.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>>     ;; Each call to ido-ignore-item-p LET-binds case-fold-search.
>>     ;; That is slow if there's no buffer-local binding available,
>>     ;; roughly O(number of buffers).  This hack avoids it.
>>     (setq-local case-fold-search nil)
>> 
>> But it will only solve specific problem with `find-buffer-visiting' and
>> we can always go for it if we cannot find anything better.
>
> Which other popular functions need to loop through all the buffers in
> Lisp?

Org mode... When activating the major mode, Org binds case-fold-search
many times - for each Org buffer being opened. The same with happen for
other major modes that let-bind case-fold-search during initialization.

Also, various multi-buffer search functions, like multi-occur, tag
search (etags.el), fileloop.el.

>> I thought that trying to solve a more general problem would benefit more
>> code - let-binding case-fold-search is extremely common across packages.
>
> IMO, the general way you are trying to solve this makes this a very
> hard problem with potentially Emacs-wide implications.  So we might as
> well look for easier alternatives.

The solution with Emacs-wide implications is not what I proposed, if you
are talking about breaking changes in let.
What I proposed might slow thing down because of more complex BVAR, but
that is yet to be proven. I want to try first before giving up.

> We could, for example, document the above trick, for those who need
> it.
>
> Or we could have a separate variable, which would not be a defcustom
> nor automatically buffer-local, and will have the same effect as
> case-fold-search on low-level searching and matching functions.

That's indeed another option. Also, we may introduce something similar
to `with-syntax-table' macro - `with-case-fold' and then throw a warning
if case-fold-search is let-bound directly.

> Btw, are you aware that many case-insensitive operations in Emacs
> depend also on the case table in effect, which can also be
> buffer-local?  So case-insensitive operations in Lisp can be
> unexpectedly affected by stuff like the current buffer.  One more
> reason to use them as little as possible.

... and syntax-table can be set in text properties; so not just affected
by current buffer - also by position in buffer.
Yet, it is sometimes necessary and there is no simple way around
available.

In the past, me and Mattias Engdegård even discussed a possibility to
incorporate case-fold-search flag into regexps directly
(https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=63225#74)
That way, things would be less affected by the buffer-locals.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>





  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-12-13 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-20  8:53 bug#66117: 30.0.50; `find-buffer-visiting' is slow when opening large number of buffers Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-22  1:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-22 11:03   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-22 12:11     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-22 12:41       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-22 12:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-22 13:30           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-22 14:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-23  8:22               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-23  8:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-24 10:54                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-24 12:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-26  8:54                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-26 14:18                         ` Michael Albinus
2023-10-04 10:57                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-26 11:11                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 13:06                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-27 23:30                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-05 14:25                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-29  7:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 13:56                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-29 16:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-03  3:25                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-03  6:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-07  8:25                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-07  8:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-07  9:29                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-07 10:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-07 11:08                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-07 11:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-07 11:43                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-07 12:05                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-08  9:00                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-08  9:56                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-09 10:02                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-09 10:16                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-12 14:24                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-12 14:49                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-12 16:33                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-12 17:26                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-12 17:44                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-12 18:36                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-12 19:10                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-12 19:16                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-12 19:18                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-12 19:20                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-12 20:01                                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-12 20:47                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-12 22:57                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-12 23:40                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-13  3:50                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-12 23:09                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-12 23:43                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-12 23:47                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-13  3:55                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-13 12:10                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-13 13:06                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-13 13:25                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-13 13:43                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-13 13:51                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-13 14:12                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-13 14:58                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-13 14:32                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-12-13 15:22                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-14 14:20                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-14 16:40                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-14 17:07                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-14 17:14                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-14 18:11                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-14 18:30                                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-14 18:41                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-14 19:02                                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-14 19:36                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-15 11:01                                                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-15 13:47                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-17  6:04                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17  6:11                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-17  8:30                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 10:31                                                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-17 10:36                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 10:46                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 10:56                                                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-17 11:06                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 11:19                                                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-17 12:06                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-19 13:24                                                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-19 13:38                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-20 20:33                                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-21  5:56                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-12-21 13:25                                                                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-21 13:39                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-01 18:02                                                                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-01 19:39                                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-01 20:39                                                                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02  4:43                                                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-02 10:52                                                                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02 11:08                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-02 11:17                                                                                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02 11:48                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-02 12:07                                                                                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02 12:07                                                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-02 12:15                                                                                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02 12:57                                                                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-02 13:09                                                                                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02 13:28                                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-03 14:28                                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-02  1:30                                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-02 11:00                                                                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02 11:57                                                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-01-02 12:11                                                                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-03  2:13                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-02 11:08                                                                                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-02 14:08                                                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-12-17 15:17                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-17 16:02                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-17 10:52                                                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-17 11:01                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 11:26                                                                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-17 12:14                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 15:24                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-14 18:49                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-14 19:49                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-14 20:24                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-14 20:57                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-14 21:32                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-14 23:03                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-14 19:15                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-14 19:56                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-15 10:19                                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-08 11:16                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-08 11:25                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-08 11:44                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-08 12:10                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-08 12:28                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-08 12:11                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-08 12:20                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-09  0:48                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-23  8:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-23  9:41                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-23 11:16                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-23 11:28                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-23 11:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-23 14:30                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-30  7:39                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  7:47                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 13:55                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-30  8:08                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30  9:50                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30 10:10                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30 10:39                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-30 11:07                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30 12:51                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-30 13:24                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 17:11                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-22 13:02         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-22 13:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-22 13:38           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-22 13:45             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-04 10:58   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-04 11:46     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-05 11:27       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-05 17:14         ` Dmitry Gutov

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