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From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>, 70784@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#70784: Abolish string resizing
Date: Mon, 06 May 2024 12:41:59 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fruv5z6w.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv34qv65a7.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 05 May 2024 22:41:54 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Actually, it's not "immemorial", it's just old:
>
>     commit 3c9de1afcde82a99137721436c822059cce79b5b
>     Author: Kenichi Handa <handa@gnu.org>
>     Date:   Fri Jul 21 06:45:30 2000 +0000

That's _23_, approaching 24 years, in the past, or 1 generation exactly.
To put this into perspective, a mere 2 years and 7 months after the
introduction of multibyte strings.

>
>         (Faset): Allow storing any multibyte character in a string.  Convert
>         unibyte string to multibyte if necessary.
>
> IOW, since Emacs-21.1.

Only two releases after the distinction between multibyte and unibyte
strings was introduced.  Evidently, this departure from traditional
array behavior was seen as a misdesign at the time, and we should know
better than to second-guess old design decisions, especially those from
a past when computer memory and performance were far scarcer commodities
than today.

> As for improvements, like a lot of refactoring and maintenance work,
> there isn't any immediate benefit.  But it's a "feature" which is *very*
> rarely used (thank god: it makes a notionally constant time operation
> take time proportional to the size of the string, so if it were used
> often we would have heard complaints about the poor performance) and
> which imposes pretty significant implementation constraints, so it's
> definitely detrimental to long term evolution.

Placing quotation marks around the word "feature" does not make it any
less of a feature, and if reports of performance woes be the judge of
whether a feature is sufficiently disused to justify removal, then, why,
virtually all (vastly underreported) sub-optimal code in Emacs would be
eligible for immediate deletion attended by irritating pop-up warnings.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-06  4:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-05 12:33 bug#70784: Abolish string resizing Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 14:18   ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 15:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 16:55       ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 17:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 18:09           ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 18:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 20:08               ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  1:01                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  6:02                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-05-08 23:25                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-08 23:24           ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-09  1:14             ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26  9:02       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-26  9:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-26 18:03           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26 18:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-27  3:42               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-28  2:23           ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-05 18:09     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 20:24       ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 21:14         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-11 15:20           ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-11 16:21             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 17:30             ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-15 17:47               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 19:35                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:24                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-25 13:01                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-06  0:53 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  1:56   ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 11:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:29       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-07 13:41           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  2:41   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  4:41     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-05-06 10:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 11:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:23     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-08 23:25   ` Richard Stallman

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