From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juliusz Chroboczek Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17643: 24.3; Please remove comma bindings from french-prefix Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 21:24:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87egzb2ho7.wl%jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> References: <87r43be1uq.wl%jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401477994 12143 80.91.229.3 (30 May 2014 19:26:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 19:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17643@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 21:26:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSRe-00038H-CM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 21:26:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56202 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSRd-0000nw-KG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:26:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41091) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSRR-0000ad-8L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:26:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSRG-0004M8-Ry for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:26:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39150) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSRG-0004M3-Pp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSRG-0008Hx-3d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:26:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juliusz Chroboczek Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 19:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17643 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17643.140147792231793 (code B ref 17643); Fri, 30 May 2014 19:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2014 19:25:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSQb-0008Gh-Et for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:25:21 -0400 Original-Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr ([194.254.61.138]:46372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSQY-0008GM-43 for 17643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:25:19 -0400 Original-Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/46573) with ESMTP id s4UJPBUO024053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 May 2014 21:25:11 +0200 Original-Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/46573) with ESMTP id s4UJPBEL029786; Fri, 30 May 2014 21:25:11 +0200 Original-Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33C7127D01; Fri, 30 May 2014 21:25:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Original-Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id hfqrYdLcwMjz; Fri, 30 May 2014 21:24:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ijon.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 024CF127CF4; Fri, 30 May 2014 21:24:55 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Fri, 30 May 2014 21:25:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Fri, 30 May 2014 21:25:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5388DB17.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:89769 Archived-At: >> Because of this binding, typing a single comma requires typing ", SPC", >> which means that the common combination "comma space" requires typing >> ", SPC SPC". > > I think the problem is not in binding , to cedilla, but in binding > ", SPC" to just a comma. How 'bout the patch below instead? > - (", " ?,) > + (",," ?,) It's usable now, but still annoying, since commas get underlined as you type, which I find distracting. But perhaps it's a simple matter of habit -- I'm much more tolerant of apostrophes getting underlined. Stefan, cedilla is not that common in French, so I think that keeping it out of the way on "~" is the reasonable thing to do. Additionally, it's consistent with latin-prefix and latin-9-prefix. -- Juliusz (who really likes the polish-slash input method, and who likes to claim he's the one who invented it)