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Jackson) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28597: 26.0.60; [Security] Configure should use --without-pop by default Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: <87efqkz4n7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> References: <837ewh8x5z.fsf@gnu.org> <87ing17akt.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <834lrl75o6.fsf@gnu.org> <877ewh74oq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83mv5d5ngv.fsf@gnu.org> <87fub131om.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83y3ot1mmi.fsf@gnu.org> <83tvzh1j5n.fsf@gnu.org> <9f1de57c-91a7-11bd-3db6-14e14026da99@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1507041034 1806 195.159.176.226 (3 Oct 2017 14:30:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 14:30:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, 28597@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 03 16:30:19 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzODA-0007T1-Tq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:30:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58910 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dzODI-0007uz-C7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:30:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54769) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dzOD6-0007q9-EH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dzOCw-0006fo-Iw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dzOCw-0006fd-Fn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzOCw-00032f-9y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:30:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 28597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28597.150704096511604 (code B ref 28597); Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2017 14:29:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46417 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzOCL-000315-8x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-f170.google.com ([209.85.223.170]:48093) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzOCJ-00030t-Rv for 28597@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:29:24 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io0-f170.google.com with SMTP id m201so2477421iom.4 for <28597@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 07:29:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=fAPoNsYx1Bxzqe9XXpGPWaAgDJOjl+1HeNLW+mBY7n0=; b=eCrSf08mQV5LwPWPupTfyGpKHF55H6JUr/oLC/jMF0QAJeBaLs3H8uYj2Uwo6s9Osm oYE+YfH453fg1kMA+lAPpYJtAGSsfhzCAzz19Ov7fGUUJSSbX1qis0dAlbZeCsHUPJqs hIG1hWfEDP7DChe4rCm/1cV37xVfrf5GFTkoq9UYinMMnKxdbk578kbd8VUvwOBLeWYi MEFV2iG19I4/r+BrFtrQQJTcFG3NlR9lhFWPpP5OcMWMrqfiY9DvrTSZyFc241GEyUh/ 9Ev+n1WLlaWFuXW2F7DerpH0PF6Oj1ek9gSXn8Q165NhKACJ1QhD3V6eWZDpRV4hxjY7 TOwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=fAPoNsYx1Bxzqe9XXpGPWaAgDJOjl+1HeNLW+mBY7n0=; b=lTmr79zlH0TKzWnrkeZvuiVae0vwCqLKLkVg6Rg2WENC4n5HCxPjOSEHd17VYG5VUo JLkm8pWr7OTGl2279f+fX7HsnjcU0xkQf2fTGtFVrIqEH/L50zg/mTUZYDa/ADoAjp+j Q0sedoCyUEdZY/EwUeF6+yBwH/VKvojV11XwCJT8zd94sU4CMuyCskTljhVoblP8E2cR yDUMYZSizicHzqFl5uadSzHNwE9BTd2pUUue4u40z+zGpPWjp87itnD8vjK9Ca1fGcfl WUUaulfFJ1pA2TN4uujToRe6ecye86D9lUFJviti6RzAitgt1ZDmCr6xth0lTYV/e9Fu UuoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaW4WArVd6jrnND0+gyHVpSH4mdr0MfaLleFjcOPHGJPVkGJHJM0 OPd6I10EHCvhJIuJjidD3Vk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QC3gUrQsz35VYrwV2RsWb+IiX/5MwUI8nrLClZsLrvkp44p2Z5Q8e2zUjQ3tN6WNwQQ38nchA== X-Received: by 10.107.164.31 with SMTP id n31mr28829838ioe.46.1507040958166; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none ([72.143.113.194]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a31sm3435982itj.7.2017.10.03.07.29.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 03 Oct 2017 07:29:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9f1de57c-91a7-11bd-3db6-14e14026da99@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:26 -0700") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:137825 Archived-At: At 16:20 -0700 on Monday 2017-10-02, Paul Eggert wrote: > > On 10/02/2017 11:47 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> nagging users each time they invoke movemail to fetch via POP3 >> is IMO unacceptable. > > Yes, that suggestion is problematic. Just for the record, I explicitly stated in my suggestion to warm the user (rather than just the builder) that Emacs should _not_ nag the user every time. I was thinking of disabling the commands in question in the case that they will be insecure and prompting along the lines of: You have typed abc, invoking disabled command xyz. Beware: This command retrieves POP3 email via only insecure channels. See [reference to relevant documentation] for more information. Do you want to use this command anyway? You can now type y to try it and enable it (no questions if you use it again). n to cancel--don't try the command, and it remains disabled. SPC to try the command just this once, but leave it disabled. ! to try it, and enable all disabled commands for this session only. This informs the user but only does so once (if they don't want to be told again); after that they need not see the warning ever again. Telling someone something once really cannot be described as "nagging". N.