From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:10:20 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87eexiqps5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <8736e3vve8.fsf@gmx.net> <8736e2coyv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y2vujd0y.fsf@gnu.org> <87blspm0sm.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837e3ckbem.fsf@gnu.org> <871rtjn0kt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrrigj8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="39463"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 06 01:20:38 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1id1MJ-000A8J-KJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2019 01:20:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34012 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1id1MI-0008Hc-4M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:20:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1id1M3-0008Cy-Sc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:20:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1id1Lq-00055G-JI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:20:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1id1Lm-00054F-TH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:20:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1id1Lm-0005b9-Pm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:20:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38457.157559159221482 (code B ref 38457); Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2019 00:19:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45419 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1id1Lc-0005aQ-00 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:19:52 -0500 Original-Received: from crocodile.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.45]:41221) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1id1La-0005aI-35 for 38457@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:19:50 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D98600DE3; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-196-51.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.196.51]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4850D600E7F; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:19:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:19:48 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Minister-Broad: 62e7d84676456e16_1575591588521_1372636722 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1575591588521:2217652652 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1575591588521 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42F5823AB; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 16:19:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=d6aDJZljiWf9pffBvLumeZIG49A=; b= w711HIVAwTUQhzIgR0xjPaUfSIMEK9xvlvsxdFRoc6eTa+J8owGyRsUg5Fu60IzV Wclw3soqllm5CjCADIdENNurddKuzMsWJrYjcVtF0PBUBs33dmap4t1+kEb9WcAG W7u7QnKmpdGhBrvoJKC2Eybof0dSoaBf4SSJTHOjRho= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-42.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1E3C823B9; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 16:19:43 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a86 In-Reply-To: <83lfrrigj8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 05 Dec 2019 05:43:07 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:172938 Archived-At: >> > Let's not rock the boat too much so close to the release cycle because >> > of a very minor problem which caused these changes. You may not see >> > any problems with it now, but I'm certain we will bump into numerous >> > problems very soon if we make such significant changes in this >> > infrastructure, which is used everywhere in Emacs. >> >> There may be a misunderstanding here. I was talking about the >> changes for development in master, not for the release branch. >> If you think it would be too risky to release with these changes, >> then fine, these changes could be removed in the release branch. > > The master branch will become the release branch very soon. If you > want to wait with these changes after the emacs-27 branch is cut, it's > fine by me, but we need to solve the issue with dabbrev-expand for the > release branch as well. > > That is why I suggest to find a simpler, safer solution for that issue > now, and if you insist on using a timer (which I personally consider > not a good idea), then do this after the release branch is cut. Using a timer is the right thing to do, there is no simpler solution, it solves all problems.