From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43300: [PATCH] Make M-x show new commands for obsolete aliases Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:36:59 +0100 Message-ID: <87eehfvrr8.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87ft576o5h.fsf@linkov.net> <87zh3ezvg8.fsf@tcd.ie> <87y2iyh7fh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft1wvv57.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26406"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Basil L. 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Yeah, that's true -- `M-x gnus-summary-toggle-truncation' is pretty annoying to have appear here (it's an obsolete alias)... On the other hand, it could be tagged with a mode (somehow) and that would also make it go away (outside of Gnus summary buffers). > The feature discussed here makes the list less clean, for reasons that > are only temporarily useful. This is compounded by the fact that we > maintain backwards compatibility aliases for such a long time. But of > course there are also benefits to this more gentle obsoletion, as you > say. > > Here's an idea: > > How about showing only obsolete aliases that are new in this major > version? That could give us almost all the benefits without any of the > drawbacks. Hm! That's a pretty attractive option. So commands deprecate faster than functions... makes sense to me. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no