From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Akib Azmain Turja via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60006: 28.2; C-h f reports wrong version Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:16:59 +0600 Message-ID: <87edt47g1w.fsf@disroot.org> References: <16614.1670852552@localhost> <83zgbsr736.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Akib Azmain Turja Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28585"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ikumi Keita , 60006@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 12 20:41:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofs-0007Gy-L2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 20:41:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofi-0004Uj-5J; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:41:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4off-0004SO-D8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofe-0001pd-C2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofd-0002zr-LX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:41:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Akib Azmain Turja Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 19:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60006 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 60006-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60006.167087404511500 (code B ref 60006); Mon, 12 Dec 2022 19:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 60006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2022 19:40:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54920 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofN-0002zQ-7U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:40:45 -0500 Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:46774) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofL-0002zK-BH for 60006@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:40:44 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F0B412F4; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 20:40:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lLjm4dQNYFGI; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 20:40:40 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1670874040; bh=zMV60MBy21Y5niIklzOrM1toRL0z207hyzZDOdR9b68=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=dy9WCiddMLfaKYihjjNVC9sVhIpx4bXB8o86Ip+da34vhVgHo1hvx/tCUBeD6mjLD iC8NEOj/xO1SqlwkfzfHNdKne6kq+1P5lrqkfqFlkBeC1ZGRYKqSaX+XAA7NVeul7h U4yLG/3CQVn6TXhfZTSAAQHQFZUEI5FMKR9YM+pNjrX3Ymifv7HjDn5CDQjovflb4/ YfkKWkjc5Uil2aFntBtKOBmGBv/zwLJch+lwjb+h2F6j7nph2zsRNLTlwIztFcdlDM bWJqspJS/Jh5G3dpWbhUdRKvfO5UsSHUS0hwF8/HJSJ6s6PO4QLBwdSiHJyRkWMXy+ QP2lo/X4+DmdQ== In-Reply-To: <83zgbsr736.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:10:21 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:250748 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Ikumi Keita >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:42:32 +0900 >>=20 >> C-h f reports wrong version when `always' was introduced. >>=20 >> [How to reproduce] >> 1. emacs-28.2 -Q >> 2. Type C-h f always RET >> 3. Then *Help* buffer says: >> Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.1. For me, it is: "Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 25.1." > > That's why it says "Probably". The method of finding out the first > release where the symbol appeared is a heuristic, and it can sometimes > fail in ridiculous ways. Just out of curiosity, what heuristic exactly? =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja, GPG key: 70018CE5819F17A3BBA666AFE74F0EFA922AE7F5 Fediverse: akib@hostux.social Codeberg: akib emailselfdefense.fsf.org | "Nothing can be secure without encryption." --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEyVTKmrtL6kNBe3FRVTX89U2IYWsFAmOXU/sACgkQVTX89U2I YWugtBAAyqgq4L42xzf5jamn+2br5h9cDhohazmyTGzy+Sqv5NewjX5kzF75xKtg T+OMcHh+vwczdj5mECqiaVecXowaAJmdapiTPJegKn9ipPU8d7r5ZsU1B8teceVK WziMiZ57q93hsf1EIRXrDJSKALHM1J1pV+2SsARVOdAVv6q+lOviF26Xe51NVCca /aQYi9oqOyuf/7OkeKDjVDoeCoPSb/t6KCT47dvpyYTfa0w2tJrJejibXepVBBJR HGZhgvNFoQ2Zp5U5hSxJsHYM3V5/I0vucfvGM1S2F2KCCf5PLUcVX5BDx4J4xTuS ys9DfnLYwP7k0lnFiHXLkI3mfVgmn50/qO0+h+s6DqEcdM7PosswGsIDn4BP+CXd 6Vs6yjGC4ppV7zQqXVzgoSGQl4m6/c4v3AN/w9ZUNqDbVbcQJ6+8z7hfRM+TddMj Tv98w00HdCX1+Ygt80c1wfY/uynMwVGppn2Qy0ybKIC02Ck9gNnlmHHfnhn+COIt Rf7jTNFgMRg1BMW9ojOJcEdE28ESr/1VzAvAjef7ASWfn/WUj5IlUDNWk2D7AscJ UC4qmaY0zlclWcGAakIkyWoQyd3W0lrHD4/LlmwfJIApJwGS0MVr+VzLSgp7O0RW l8l3K7hxyQ83frZ0dwgCNtZ7/xcbMKl+5y5rnmxR9FNE7v922TA= =XERs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--