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Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:23:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871q01am6t.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Sun, 27 Oct 2024 11:12:58 +0100") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:s+yR5vKiZ1UK6Qc7qVeF107HWBs8vIYBRZGljojyV1z6OW5HPct yoDJ0HaOM8q+DjQphTbrv6ONJls5dct0mWchiA62incBhghVIQyTB7O0ovwrPdmSuF0c8GW JANp0j6L9jRih/8wxlEHWAv3eRKoCzoU34K0sgKOyr5PbBeu+RcatZldBDHO1dySILSMRAh K6U4M9NwR3hL7MqO6mtnw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:ao0A1bOc0Ug=;U3wgXlICUu+iZUxt18jivjYowmW jXZjs+s1eiECje8IzgErxQUOE601TkGaPQSqC4CoxlO7RkanX008SBYaffB7wq3kU9e2MUih+ SOIXDCHwY/VPUTInbKNbzShJvhMkMIQRqXCAM7hbECxpUt5L8ImP7jWl0hGVaCbrB5khqwHtl LwttHQI0apHS0L8+BsGDOgOqj1Sic8UMMEYbtXM9sMGj99b2iRmSIL08ZDBD+eVGb60JMItQ7 yZbYNAg+2SPX91Ml2VGQ+XbAnxrbB3nZjt/P0+EW3etlopG4CGPPj8/21piSRbepmplrNVjAo hSgpuFaRurack9fkZe7TLaiMHxdwkzt9pEeO5n2dDHeZrZawr8ABcAEvvzFQPTXEMl9cRic3D CKbpSSjafzu1zbvuI2f0a71c33vkqiXrHixeRoYIRbp3NBxYcRMhOEV4KUEtDPd18RI4P1mC0 vmbZpC7IK/X3SMERcIzYM8aczKBPgQuvcwboo3GvQ/511KF11PkK6xGtEr7K0ega1w1yHjKJZ MdsJ4aSkWYMEfyuKH1JICAV9U/Wz+5nfMeMDGr/aKamQUmaw7UsRW2jmNcwS22uflFg/VrWar cUHGMZp+79JZ56aa70dAGCDG7MXU0Ne0mGw2wMqWFdNrBNZY57hSviwKDgcPDT1h9FNKpd5Ev XEjtv0jGBYeqpC2Sj6bN85H66CpKjEex/4EVeWXZ/xh+NPDfFDsxNrEZL/WcPu4v84qbBKgAf RdZSBsA0W84fncQRpZ4YJiSsH3ZD+sH7ntNpbXAO98OqBCNV/mq2J/E6EXQVQIHKpzUlUmB+ X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:294340 Archived-At: Michael Albinus writes: > Please no more incompatibilities with older Emacsen except when > absolutely necessary. It's already hard enough for packages developed > outside the Emacs repo. My suggestion is not more incompatible than the current approach. And reintroducing names that we had declared obsolete in a second step is even backwards compatible then. Let's please not get impatient, let's try to find the one solution that we want to keep this time. Else we only postpone the problem into the future, and this is not ideal for packages outside of Emacs either - it's worse, in the long run. Michael.