* Re: Emacs Website. Was: 21.2 release. Was: dabbrev can hang in presence of fields [not found] ` <87pu1zcx8y.fsf_-_@gnu.org> @ 2002-03-21 6:52 ` Eli Zaretskii 2002-03-22 10:07 ` Alex Schroeder 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2002-03-21 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Alex Schroeder wrote: > eliz@is.elta.co.il (Eli Zaretskii) writes: > > >> Sometimes, though, I just feel it's a shame that such a > >> wonderful piece of software doesn't get the publicity which it deserves, > >> IMO. > > > > I agree 100% that we should do better. I'll try to do something about > > that when I have time. > > <plug>That's what I like about the Emacs Wiki. When I'm not there, > somebody else will be. The entry barrier is just one click away - > anybody can edit the pages. And once you fix something, there is no > implicit expectation that you will continue to do so.</plug> Are you suggesting the same for the Emacs home page? _______________________________________________ Bug-gnu-emacs mailing list Bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Website. Was: 21.2 release. Was: dabbrev can hang in presence of fields 2002-03-21 6:52 ` Emacs Website. Was: 21.2 release. Was: dabbrev can hang in presence of fields Eli Zaretskii @ 2002-03-22 10:07 ` Alex Schroeder 2002-03-22 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Alex Schroeder @ 2002-03-22 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw) eliz@is.elta.co.il (Eli Zaretskii) writes: >> <plug>That's what I like about the Emacs Wiki. When I'm not there, >> somebody else will be. The entry barrier is just one click away - >> anybody can edit the pages. And once you fix something, there is no >> implicit expectation that you will continue to do so.</plug> > > Are you suggesting the same for the Emacs home page? I would, if I thought it would stand a chance. I just assume that either the GNU people running the server don't want to install weird software (such as the wiki script), or people are affraid of abuse. But other than that, yes, I think it is a good solution. It works fine on the wiki. It has now 731 pages, and managed to get lots of hits: Hits Bytes Visits PViews Month 73,336 559,873,686 11,519 66,214 Jan 2002 75,276 592,474,181 11,548 71,494 Feb 2002 And still I can remember only one case of abuse and it was easily corrected by the next person coming along (the old pages are kept for a certain time). So I think there are no significant drawbacks and it would fix the maintainer problem. I never voluntered for the Emacs page on gnu.org because that means responsability and work -- on the emacswiki, however, responsability and work is shared. If installing a wiki doesn't work for you for the reasons given above, then perhaps "outsourcing" as much information as possible to the existing wiki is the way to go. The main page could just say "Emacs is an Editor and more. This site only features the Emacs manual (link), the elisp manual (link) and the NT Emacs FAQ (link). Pointers to CVS, the latest released version, the online FAQ, etc. are maintained over at the Emacs Wiki (link)." Ok, enough plugging. :) Alex. -- http://www.emacswiki.org/ _______________________________________________ Bug-gnu-emacs mailing list Bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Website. Was: 21.2 release. Was: dabbrev can hang in presence of fields 2002-03-22 10:07 ` Alex Schroeder @ 2002-03-22 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 2002-03-22 13:18 ` Alex Schroeder 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2002-03-22 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: gnu-emacs-bug > Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug > From: Alex Schroeder <alex@gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:07:57 +0100 > > eliz@is.elta.co.il (Eli Zaretskii) writes: > > >> <plug>That's what I like about the Emacs Wiki. When I'm not there, > >> somebody else will be. The entry barrier is just one click away - > >> anybody can edit the pages. And once you fix something, there is no > >> implicit expectation that you will continue to do so.</plug> > > > > Are you suggesting the same for the Emacs home page? > > I would, if I thought it would stand a chance. I just assume that > either the GNU people running the server don't want to install weird > software (such as the wiki script), or people are affraid of abuse. > But other than that, yes, I think it is a good solution. Well, in that case, I disagree. > It works fine on the wiki. It has now 731 pages, and managed to get > lots of hits: The number of hits is not the only criterion of the quality. Nor is it certain that the goals of the Emacs page and the wiki are comparable. > I never voluntered for the Emacs page on gnu.org because that means > responsability and work I'm afraid that without a responsible person (or a group of persons) who would volunteer to invest the effort, the quality would suffer. I don't believe in work without responsibility. In fact, I believe that if a person doesn't accept responsibility for her work, she shouldn't be allowed to do that work. Maybe I'm too old-fashioned... Anyway, this is all IMHO; I'm not the head maintainer for Emacs, so there are others you could try to convince. I'll happily relinquish my duties of taking care of the Emacs Web page as far as my time allows. I only took it upon myself because no one else volunteered, and because the grave problems could be fixed by a small amount of work, an amount I could afford. _______________________________________________ Bug-gnu-emacs mailing list Bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Website. Was: 21.2 release. Was: dabbrev can hang in presence of fields 2002-03-22 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2002-03-22 13:18 ` Alex Schroeder 2002-03-22 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Alex Schroeder @ 2002-03-22 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw) "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@is.elta.co.il> writes: >> I would, if I thought it would stand a chance. I just assume that >> either the GNU people running the server don't want to install weird >> software (such as the wiki script), or people are affraid of abuse. >> But other than that, yes, I think it is a good solution. > > Well, in that case, I disagree. With the arguments mentioned, or because of something else? Or with the assumption I made? >> It works fine on the wiki. It has now 731 pages, and managed to get >> lots of hits: > > The number of hits is not the only criterion of the quality. Nor is > it certain that the goals of the Emacs page and the wiki are > comparable. Correct, haha, but that was trivial. What I WANTED to say is that even though the pages are publically editable, there is not much abuse. I get lots of hits, have lots of pages, and only one incident that I remember. > Anyway, this is all IMHO; I'm not the head maintainer for Emacs, so > there are others you could try to convince. Heh, "Steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein" (constant water drops will hollow the stone?). > I'll happily relinquish my duties of taking care of the Emacs Web > page as far as my time allows. I only took it upon myself because > no one else volunteered, and because the grave problems could be > fixed by a small amount of work, an amount I could afford. Thanks for the time you are investing. Alex. -- http://www.emacswiki.org/ _______________________________________________ Bug-gnu-emacs mailing list Bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Website. Was: 21.2 release. Was: dabbrev can hang in presence of fields 2002-03-22 13:18 ` Alex Schroeder @ 2002-03-22 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2002-03-22 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: gnu-emacs-bug > Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug > From: Alex Schroeder <alex@gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:18:08 +0100 > > "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@is.elta.co.il> writes: > > >> I would, if I thought it would stand a chance. I just assume that > >> either the GNU people running the server don't want to install weird > >> software (such as the wiki script), or people are affraid of abuse. > >> But other than that, yes, I think it is a good solution. > > > > Well, in that case, I disagree. > > With the arguments mentioned, or because of something else? Or with > the assumption I made? With the suggestion that it would be a good solution for the Emacs Web page. > What I WANTED to say is that even though the pages are publically > editable, there is not much abuse. I'm not worried about abuse, I'm worried about quality: the clarity of the text, even spelling. _______________________________________________ Bug-gnu-emacs mailing list Bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: 21.2 release. Was: dabbrev can hang in presence of fields [not found] ` <yebbsdl9ccy.fsf@xpc21.ast.cam.ac.uk> [not found] ` <Pine.SUN.3.91.1020319133309.17982F-100000@is> @ 2002-03-24 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2002-03-24 6:49 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Glenn Morris wrote: > On this topic, then IMO it would be nice if there was a simple statement > somewhere on the http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ page that said: > > "The latest version of Emacs is: XX.XX (released yyyy/mm/dd)" I fixed that. _______________________________________________ Bug-gnu-emacs mailing list Bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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