From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12507: Have I mentioned how much I hate Debbugs? 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[173.109.178.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xm2sm6234675igb.3.2012.09.30.21.13.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:65048 Archived-At: So, immediately after I mis-closed this report, I realized what happened and ever since then I've been trying to reopen it. First I emailed "12507-open@". Then I tried "12507-reopen@". Maybe those emails are stuck in the pipe somewhere, or maybe those weren't valid ways to issue the command to reopen. In any case, now I'm reduced to sending this mail and praying that it goes through, since unlike every other bug tracker created since 1852 debbugs does not have a way to manipulate bugs via the web browser. In any case: This bug is too complex to solve by the Oct. 1st freeze, sorry. Just reading & comprehending the conversation takes twenty minutes now. My preference would be to remove the `bookmark-version-control' variable entirely, since probably so few people use it and it's now a bug source. However, maybe it's important enough to keep, in which case we probably need to fix `write-region' to DTRT with backups, or at least have some kind of `write-region-make-backups' variable we can dynamically bind. I don't want to revert to using `write-file'. We switched *away* from `write-file' for a reason. Going back will probably mean a regression of some sort. -Karl