* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
@ 2018-09-18 10:56 Van L
2018-09-18 11:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Van L @ 2018-09-18 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 32758
Hello.
I use eww-mode to visit a webpage, such as,
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-52566
I press 'R to have the page more readable.
When I press the key M-e for the command forward-sentence ; I expect to have the point goto the end of that sentence.
It overshoots to the end of the paragraph.
The point is a the second character of the first sentence of a five sentence paragraph. I type M-e and point jumps to the period at the end of the last sentence and one more position further.
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-09-18 10:56 bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending Van L
@ 2018-09-18 11:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 12:17 ` Van L
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-09-18 11:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Van L; +Cc: 32758
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:56:50 +1000
>
> I use eww-mode to visit a webpage, such as,
>
> http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-52566
>
> I press 'R to have the page more readable.
>
> When I press the key M-e for the command forward-sentence ; I expect to have the point goto the end of that sentence.
>
> It overshoots to the end of the paragraph.
With that page's text, you should set sentence-end-double-space to
nil, to have the behavior you want.
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-09-18 11:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-09-18 12:17 ` Van L
2018-09-18 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Van L @ 2018-09-18 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 32758
> With that page's text, you should set sentence-end-double-space to
> nil, to have the behavior you want.
Can Emacs be smartish about sentence-end spacing? look at the periods and spaces between sentences in a paragraph and interpret according to use which is common in the wild wild web. If I do according to the suggestion won’t I miss out on double space endings between sentences? I want all possible worlds.
I should have posted this to help-emacs first.
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-09-18 12:17 ` Van L
@ 2018-09-18 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-19 11:57 ` Van L
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-09-18 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Van L; +Cc: 32758
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 22:17:01 +1000
> Cc: 32758@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Can Emacs be smartish about sentence-end spacing? look at the periods and spaces between sentences in a paragraph and interpret according to use which is common in the wild wild web.
It would need some statistical analysis of the text and guesswork
based on that, but I don't see why that would be impossible. Patches
welcome.
> If I do according to the suggestion won’t I miss out on double space endings between sentences?
No, but you might "acquire" sentences where there are none, such as 3
of them in "J. R. Hacker".
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-09-18 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-09-19 11:57 ` Van L
2018-09-19 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Van L @ 2018-09-19 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 32758
> It would need some statistical analysis of the text and guesswork
> based on that, but I don't see why that would be impossible. Patches
> welcome.
Double spaced sentence-endings are actually easier to read.
Is the 'R command for eww-readable easier work to have double spaced sentence-endings?
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-09-19 11:57 ` Van L
@ 2018-09-19 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-07 11:00 ` Van L
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-09-19 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Van L; +Cc: 32758
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:57:50 +1000
> Cc: 32758@debbugs.gnu.org
>
>
> > It would need some statistical analysis of the text and guesswork
> > based on that, but I don't see why that would be impossible. Patches
> > welcome.
>
> Double spaced sentence-endings are actually easier to read.
We are not going to change the defaults, so this is not necessarily an
argument against such a feature.
> Is the 'R command for eww-readable easier work to have double spaced sentence-endings?
I don't think it matters, but I don't know EWW well enough to say
definitively.
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-09-19 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-07 11:00 ` Van L
2018-10-07 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Van L @ 2018-10-07 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 32758
>>> Patches
>>> welcome.
Will it be enough for a `sentence-end-single-space’ variable to go in paragraphs.el and to fit in the sentence-end function among the re-patterns lines 190 to 200?
25.3.1 Emacs paragraphs.el
netbsd-8.0
┌────
│ 178 (defun sentence-end ()
│ 179 "Return the regexp describing the end of a sentence.
│ 180
│ 181 This function returns either the value of the variable `sentence-end'
│ 182 if it is non-nil, or the default value constructed from the
│ 183 variables `sentence-end-base', `sentence-end-double-space',
│ 184 `sentence-end-without-period' and `sentence-end-without-space'.
│ 185
│ 186 The default value specifies that in order to be recognized as the
│ 187 end of a sentence, the ending period, question mark, or exclamation point
│ 188 must be followed by two spaces, with perhaps some closing delimiters
│ 189 in between. See Info node `(elisp)Standard Regexps'."
│ 190 (or sentence-end
│ 191 ;; We accept non-break space along with space.
│ 192 (concat (if sentence-end-without-period "\\w[ \u00a0][ \u00a0]\\|")
│ 193 "\\("
│ 194 sentence-end-base
│ 195 (if sentence-end-double-space
│ 196 "\\($\\|[ \u00a0]$\\|\t\\|[ \u00a0][ \u00a0]\\)" "\\($\\|[\t \u00a0]\\)")
│ 197 "\\|[" sentence-end-without-space "]+"
│ 198 "\\)"
│ 199 "[ \u00a0\t\n]*")))
│ 200
└────
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2018-10-07 11:00 ` Van L
@ 2018-10-07 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-08 0:02 ` Van L
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-07 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Van L; +Cc: 32758
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 22:00:11 +1100
> Cc: 32758@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> >>> Patches
> >>> welcome.
>
> Will it be enough for a `sentence-end-single-space’ variable to go in paragraphs.el and to fit in the sentence-end function among the re-patterns lines 190 to 200?
Sorry, I don't understand the proposal. Can you show a patch?
Thanks.
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-10-07 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-08 0:02 ` Van L
2018-10-13 9:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Van L @ 2018-10-08 0:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 32758
> Can you show a patch?
The question was is here the place to put the patch for the expected function to forward-sentence when in an eww buffer in read mode where sentences are single spaced. This is the runup to locating a patch to be made.
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-10-08 0:02 ` Van L
@ 2018-10-13 9:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-13 9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Van L; +Cc: 32758
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 11:02:55 +1100
> Cc: 32758@debbugs.gnu.org
>
>
> > Can you show a patch?
>
> The question was is here the place to put the patch for the expected function to forward-sentence when in an eww buffer in read mode where sentences are single spaced. This is the runup to locating a patch to be made.
The place to make the change is indeed in paragraphs.el. But you were
also talking about a variable sentence-end-single-space, which doesn't
exist, and I don't have a clear idea what kind of changes in the
regexps used by sentence-end did you have in mind.
Thanks.
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* bug#32758: 26.1 emacs-mac 7.2; forward-sentence in eww overshoots to paragraph ending
2018-10-13 9:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-05-13 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2019-05-13 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Van L, 32758
I don't really see this is as something that eww should be meddling
with -- it's up to the user to decide what they want to consider a
sentence end.
It might perhaps be nice if there was a different setting for this in,
say, all special-mode buffers (as opposed to editing modes), so perhaps
a new bug report should be opened for that if somebody feels that that's
a good idea, but I'm closing this bug report.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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