From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4960: 23.1.50; Please provide access to the tour on the Help menu; preferably ship it also Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:28:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87d07r7c4m.fsf@stefankangas.se> References: <87ws1lzksg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="92124"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lennart Borgman , 4960@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 19:32:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTU5T-000Noz-HO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rsxdF16pif1nklyLExZ2XXVnsCikhsgtdUf5Eh3U0co=; b=g0HX24TKQNMXVBMXOwhpvYZCZV p0tCgyErY70jQsisqYydMFVoa9uL9Fh8ayprYWo8dHo2r578HpRynotf8BxRivXpZStdKUQ5WXn8W 7qmPsqyLFL3NS2KLRG/NXhH9tRMxLx86cGnPSXnUu1q7u22xnBPiVU5tTcW82OoTRCQQ2MVpzef+W OYGsbTMxZOYvXSj5QvirkDg+f8n57C+1Kd0Zf7bZd1PH2mXue0S+mkKPCz0HUpYmSznKfpmIiF3eM 53HeQKfNEG/qqB22EaJBWzxw/pCUl5qoKPH/2ZXuAh+evNYgje9/EPmieA676kjbzwxxyAPidjPMi sl/jK2dA==; Original-Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:33328 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jTU2V-000Oub-Q5; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:29:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ws1lzksg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:32:07 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:179230 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >>> Previous discussion: >>> >>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00120.html >> >> There seemed to be a consensus to change part of the Help menu the way >> Drew suggested: >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00158.html >> >> Though Stefan and someone else thought that a menu item that opened >> something in a web browser felt a bit wrong. I never understood why. >> Is not that very common? >> >> I suggest we change the Help menu as discussed there. > > The Web Guided Tour is an advertisement of Emacs features. > It doesn't provide any help. So the "Help" menu is not appropriate. > We could create a new menu "Ads" ;-) I think this is the correct conclusion. Does anyone object to closing this bug? Best regards, Stefan Kangas