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From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: valizadeh.ho@gmail.com, 41005@debbugs.gnu.org, nicholasdrozd@gmail.com
Subject: bug#41005: problem with rendering Persian text in Emacs 27
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:38:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d06czj00.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <831rmtbny0.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 05 Jun 2020 17:13:27 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
>> Cc: hossein valizadeh <valizadeh.ho@gmail.com>,  41005@debbugs.gnu.org,
>>   nicholasdrozd@gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 13:05:43 +0000
>> 
>> I think the attached patch is a fairly minimal fix; it's against master,
>> applies to emacs-27 but I haven't tested it there.
>
> Thanks, it LGTM.
>
> I think we should put this on emacs-27, because this is a regression
> caused by Emacs 27's support for HarfBuzz as the default shaping
> engine.  The other shapers didn't want us to provide the direction,
> they determined it internally.  We added the DIRECTION argument as
> part of integrating HarfBuzz.

Okay, will do that unless someone objects.

> We could do better than your patch by actually computing the resolved
> bidi level there, which would require start_display followed by
> move_it_to, in which case we probably won't need to call
> composition_reseat_it by hand at all, and could just pick up the
> result produced by move_it_to.  Or maybe we should just use
> Fvertical_motion instead (which does all that internally).  But these
> ideas are for the master branch, not for emacs-27.

That sounds good.

>> Given these two bugs, I wonder whether it wouldn't be more reasonable
>> always to let HarfBuzz guess the direction, at least for Emacs-27:
>> scripts which change direction, if they are supported by HarfBuzz, won't
>> work anyway.
>
> Please explain "scripts that change direction" and "won't work
> anyway", I don't think I understand that part.

I think your example (RLO..PDF in RTL text) is better: that won't work
anyway, right now, because if, for example, you type

<HEBREW LETTER SHIN> <RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE> f i

and have set the char table to treat "fi" as a ligature, the result will
(at least sometimes) be an "fi" ligature, but it should look like the
word "if".

> The reason we don't let HarfBuzz guess in all cases is because the
> resolved bidi level, when we have it, is a more accurate indication of
> the required direction.

Yes, but we'll still cache the wrong direction. If we let HarfBuzz guess
in all cases, output will be consistent and usually correct

> For example, if you have RTL characters
> inside the LRO..PDF embedding, it would be wrong to let the shaper
> guess, because it could (and usually will) guess wrongly that the
> direction is R2L.  It is true that these are rare and unusual use
> cases, but they do exist, and Emacs does want to support them,
> including with scripts that must use the shaping engine.

As I described, I don't think RLO..PDF works with shaping right now,
because other code might have already cached the non-overridden glyph
string.





  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-06  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-01 18:02 bug#41005: problem with rendering Persian text in Emacs 27 hossein valizadeh
2020-05-01 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <CAMyfNNp7FiFgAN5EVcVauawiy8ZB7U+eKY7qOeqZOnbMQfs5iQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-06-03 14:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-03 17:24 ` Nicholas Drozd
2020-06-03 18:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-04  2:39     ` hossein valizadeh
2020-06-04  3:01       ` hossein valizadeh
2020-06-04  4:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-04  4:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-04  6:27             ` hossein valizadeh
2020-06-04  8:28               ` Pip Cet
2020-06-04 13:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-04 19:52                   ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05  4:46                     ` hossein valizadeh
2020-06-05  6:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 11:07                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-05 12:32                         ` hossein valizadeh
2020-06-05 12:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 13:05                             ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 14:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06  8:38                                 ` Pip Cet [this message]
2020-06-06  9:04                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06  9:11                                     ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06  9:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 13:09                                         ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 14:23                               ` hossein valizadeh
2020-06-05 14:25                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05  6:39                       ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05  8:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05  8:41                       ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 11:42                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 12:40                           ` Amin Bandali
2020-07-21 13:34                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-07-21 17:53                               ` Amin Bandali
2020-07-21 18:27                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22  2:12                                   ` Amin Bandali
2020-07-22 14:20                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-24  4:11                                       ` Amin Bandali
2020-07-24  6:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-25  4:19                                           ` Amin Bandali
2020-07-25  6:48                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-25 15:53                                               ` Amin Bandali
2020-07-25 16:28                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-25 16:44                                                   ` Amin Bandali
2020-07-25 16:56                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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