From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24902: 25.1; C-x = for Unicode Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:00:31 +0100 Message-ID: <87czkh1jqo.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87a6fl5w11.fsf@gnus.org> <14F24EE3-901E-4622-8210-6C4F2134E9BA@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13055"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Ulrich Windl , 24902@debbugs.gnu.org To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 24 12:01:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nBx6L-0003CI-Bu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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The only ones I can think of are raw bytes > and some control characters. Yes, that's what I was thinking of. > The only reason why C-x =3D shows octal is inertia. If you wrote the > command today, you would not include octal. > > This is just another Immovable Ladder in Emacs. It must be preserved > exactly as it is, for the sole reason that it has always been this > way. I never use octal myself and have configured Emacs to display raw bytes as hex, so I agree with the first assertion. But the latter isn't a very friendly caricature. The reason we don't remove all the octal stuff from Emacs is that it'd annoy a significant number of people. >> `C-x 8 e d' says what the name of the character is. Perhaps it should >> also include the hex value... > > Or perhaps we could improve the more commonly used and accessible `C-x > =3D` to show both? > > I could write a patch to change it (with an option to keep the Good > Old Times look for the traditionalist), but there's no point if it > would be dismissed out of hand. Would it? Making a format-spec thing for `C-x =3D' would be fine by me. I don't understand the aggression here, though. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no