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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 55451@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#55451: 28.1.50; Executing (jit-lock-mode -1) does not disable jit-lock-mode
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:21 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87czg94opq.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ilq2eo26.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  55451@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 19:27:58 +0200
>> 
>> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > However, I am confused why it is impossible to follow +1/-1 convention.
>> > Looking through jit-lock.el I do not see any place where any value other
>> > than non-nil/nil is considered.
>> 
>> It would be incompatible -- all non-nil values switch jit-lock on
>> presently, including -1.
>
> Yes.  Moreover, it's hardly worth the hassle: who would switch off
> jit-lock, except for debugging jit-lock?  Most people will never do,
> which is very unlike every minor mode out there -- those are switched
> on and off all the time.  It isn't an accident that we don't have the
> "M-x jit-lock-mode" command.

That's exactly the situation I had:
1. Tried M-x jit-lock-mode. Did not work. Understandable - special minor
   mode.
2. M-: (jit-lock-mode -1). No error. Executed.
3. Tried to debug something assuming that jit-lock is disabled.
4. After several minutes, realised that jit-lock is still working.

So, similar to other Elisp conventions, I do expect everything called
minor mode to follow the calling convention with +1/-1. Not doing so is
a surprise. Not doing so without a clear indication (like an error) is a
recipe for confusion.

I would not expect users to read minor mode docstring every time to
check if the usual convention is broken. There should be some kind of
indication at least, be it an unusual symbol name, a user error, or
something similarly noticeable.

Best,
Ihor







  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-19 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-16 14:00 bug#55451: 28.1.50; Executing (jit-lock-mode -1) does not disable jit-lock-mode Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-16 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17 18:03   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-18 11:46     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-18 17:27       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-18 17:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-19 13:49           ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2022-05-19 14:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-20  8:13               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-19 23:13           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-20  6:55             ` Eli Zaretskii

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