From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#73709: 29.4; Doc of `file-newer-than-file-p' Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 02:23:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87cyk7trma.fsf@web.de> References: <86h69msbhi.fsf@gnu.org> <87set6aytj.fsf@web.de> <864j5l4d2x.fsf@gnu.org> <87v7y0kgl7.fsf@web.de> <861q0o2xbe.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Michael Heerdegen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20308"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 73709@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 11 02:23:05 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sz3Qu-00054Y-30 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:22:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1728606143; x=1729210943; i=michael_heerdegen@web.de; bh=03w94l6Kh/yNdVtUJ1I5aoHZjJsJVm2rHH4DsBLv/Bs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=OuqHBJetJNjUZ2dBPxblKpoZEiidxhZFPvzoZUGOD78DZPc4maopG7XOzLX8Dt2P 5LpPiMaRavjej9nuyyYPZr9UM9Lw7gJzauI/hcKPGrqLIn9CPyFXb2srkN9D+pNkq RoALmUi1a1/ObAO+jraPXkpjWfRGrJ89J7fpS26wNKy3Kz0uYnz/frGYepM1nQvcu eTkqD5+ZUfKn/Q3enQqmExK9zxrZ/v+/i4wbdBBZKxQebk01SIqHRaQCSWVoea0ud lw9PPPVGwsi7uG8RZUUluZatwKYsKQDLHVZ4cxNViIs6pNDqFwzoMkBGzuIJLFscm r+oYzh9dl1rSvKj7mQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.75.138.227]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mi537-1td5021r7J-00fm3m; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 02:22:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <861q0o2xbe.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:09:57 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:vJlhbi+VYkisQTSaneVz9kDd4DL3vCLsX3lwpWxnmwGf5yWp4MK gJH6zgVSw8bS3qFLdd/ATGLMbUUOKhAKF05X00cniKV6v63C3hl5XyRNrCbNkMhIrrSbpGT SIoUrQSmppRVLSki1WveWiCQ9g1/AHchbEBZSX1XX1s8DkgwDm1elYIQo6t7ky9eIOnfU5j HUFW9G3iQDF729YaVRlVw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:fGQ6N8X9bOI=;yxcEKsOqGIOkRFg7C3SUB54ftHE YWg4Gm2tDW0b2P1dNs9FSxwAbTNkR8B/+Z1WlQaOLYzYs667JrATVIcjp0z8ZNAXLoxob0i2B pGG38yHzQYCgU6TsoGHlEPcN5Rrh+ps+91Uw+oLCmk2FnQCRQAtZp0WTXIC9ZZeOm8J72vQ+2 9sco/DRFGSGLqaUKgO6mcQxhSOcNQ31ANGQT2/dcGjkYE7L1efmjQp4wonYjeHSBrOn62t6L1 E0ljyFGT+en3R886lr83sUT2FFHpvUI5IgnP/UhkVmm7FLhEOM8q/e/7abOdau2F/Gd0+IIDc M7OBPNg2YhS9bloMYH3idd8Wcyn/5Moaxzbhdm7jDC7oa1CF5A4b+5F5RRLbaBuVhC3sA0yN8 0yFZ9iNriFbvFGkhxn4yxulkno6gSgLZvS7cHKzoSCbj1WgXXt2n8NhVO4yuLEs3hzx1T/ufx 1scFe1+t18xEF42c9O+U7YHzgd2QE0WOiU/TwlWRjGi15d4Slsiz/7zJNlQ8LniKvJzgpdVNn 6kdeD4bOhBsdHDUNkhrRaGVbG5RtrHprkbTDBH9n8cHHXODYQDwb1kEpzx1a6XAac+jn3Tufm yE7TU+Yn1/IzjaV/E/HoLnl1c0yGO5CeUHzjU4+9zWOWfQ82s8EnoAPHFxpTJYuqspr9n3QeY E94xwB3ZuD5yTvd/8OU+poHb8GUwhgS4/DTUVvuLn4n8xDh7VLRzTgee+WzqReapVM6xcu11p s139IY8RH2F1YzWv8SGC+XjXSWKTF6ar3zzHqiIWVlDUfGGenhcc5CBTeKchwYhAcbVuNu2h X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:293320 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Apart from that: if it is hard or not practical to describe what the > > function returns in every case, we can instead try to describe major > > use cases. > > That'd mean a lot of text to write to describe what should be clear > enough, at least as far as Emacs is concerned. I don't think it's our > job to describe how the various filesystems work. This is not what I suggested. My suggestion was to tell something like "For example, this function is used to check whether a file should be restored from an auto-safe file, or needs to be recompiled". This is possible without describing how filesystems work, or how quantum chromodynamics work. > Very well, but please remember your opinions in this matter, because > if someone comes up asking for more details about "last modification > times" (perhaps even Drew himself, e.g. because someone asked some > question on SE), I will defer to you and Stefan to deal with the > fallout. When you say "[...] should be clear enough": are you sure that the misinterpretation as "file creation time" only can happen to me and to Drew - because we are exceptionally stupid Emacs users? If not: do you have any better idea? And: Sure can you ask for my help, but, with all respect, please not in such a way, Eli. Michael.