bug#75448: [PATCH] Fix documentation of Iroquoian input methods

bug#75448: [PATCH] Fix documentation of Iroquoian input methods

[Kierin Bell]

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This patch fixes a typo in the documentation for Iroquoian input methods
for the Oneida endonym, propagated by copy-paste into comments,
docstrings, and the NEWS entry. The previous spelling 'Onʌyota:ká:' was
missing the third syllable and also used an idiosyncratic orthography.
There are two common orthographic variants that I've seen:
'Onʌyote’a·ká·' (common in community language programs) and
'Onyotaˀa·ká·' (used in Karin Michelson's 2002
'Oneida-English/English-Oneida Dictionary'). I opted for the former.

There is also a small fix for an incorrect input key given in one of the
input method docstrings. 


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From 0fa5f6498e381a60066455595858bbf72c7428c4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Kierin Bell <fernseed@fernseed.me>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 18:29:55 -0500
Subject: [PATCH] Fix documentation of Iroquoian input methods

* lisp/leim/quail/iroquoian.el: Fix typos in Oneida endonym and in the
docstring of `haudenosaunee-postfix' about keys for inputting Onondaga
nasals.

* etc/NEWS: Fix typo in Oneida endonym.
---
 etc/NEWS                     | 12 ++++++------
 lisp/leim/quail/iroquoian.el | 14 +++++++-------
 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)

diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index 37e5669b139..ba73843825d 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -260,12 +260,12 @@ The Tifinagh script is used to write the Berber languages.
 *** New input methods for Northern Iroquoian languages.
 Input methods are now implemented for Haudenosaunee languages in the
 Northern Iroquoian language family: 'mohawk-postfix' (Mohawk
-[Kanien’kéha / Onkwehonwehnéha]), 'oneida-postfix' (Oneida [Onʌyota:ká:
-/ Ukwehuwehnéha]), 'cayuga-postfix' (Cayuga [Gayogo̱ho:nǫhnéha:ˀ]),
-'onondaga-postfix' (Onondaga [Onųdaʔgegáʔ]), and 'seneca-postfix'
-(Seneca [Onödowá’ga:’]).  Additionally, there is a general-purpose
-'haudenosaunee-postfix' input method to facilitate writing in the
-orthographies of the five languages simultaneously.
+[Kanien’kéha / Onkwehonwehnéha]), 'oneida-postfix' (Oneida
+[Onʌyote’a·ká· / Ukwehuwehnéha]), 'cayuga-postfix' (Cayuga
+[Gayogo̱ho:nǫhnéha:ˀ]), 'onondaga-postfix' (Onondaga [Onųdaʔgegáʔ]), and
+'seneca-postfix' (Seneca [Onödowá’ga:’]).  Additionally, there is a
+general-purpose 'haudenosaunee-postfix' input method to facilitate
+writing in the orthographies of the five languages simultaneously.
 
 ---
 ** 'visual-wrap-prefix-mode' now supports variable-pitch fonts.
diff --git a/lisp/leim/quail/iroquoian.el b/lisp/leim/quail/iroquoian.el
index 51d02e822a9..63c24cf4590 100644
--- a/lisp/leim/quail/iroquoian.el
+++ b/lisp/leim/quail/iroquoian.el
@@ -28,7 +28,7 @@
 ;; languages:
 
 ;; - Mohawk (Kanien’kéha / Onkwehonwehnéha)
-;; - Oneida (Onʌyota:ká: / Ukwehuwehnéha)
+;; - Oneida (Onʌyote’a·ká· / Ukwehuwehnéha)
 ;; - Onondaga (Onųdaʔgegáʔ)
 ;; - Cayuga (Gayogo̱ho:nǫhnéha:ˀ)
 ;; - Seneca (Onödowá’ga:’)
@@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ Entries are as with rules in `quail-define-rules'.")
 
 (quail-define-package
  "oneida-postfix" "Oneida" "ONE<" t
- "Oneida (Onʌyota:ká:) input method with postfix modifiers
+ "Oneida (Onʌyote’a·ká·) input method with postfix modifiers
 
 Modifiers:
 
@@ -896,7 +896,7 @@ Entries are as with rules in `quail-define-rules'.")
 This input method can be used to enter the following languages:
 
 - Mohawk (Kanien’kéha / Onkwehonwehnéha)
-- Oneida (Onʌyota:ká: / Ukwehuwehnéha)
+- Oneida (Onʌyote’a·ká· / Ukwehuwehnéha)
 - Cayuga (Gayogo̱ho:nǫhnéha:ˀ)
 - Onondaga (Onųdaʔgegáʔ)
 - Seneca (Onödowá’ga:’)
@@ -942,10 +942,10 @@ Vowels:
 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- |
 | (Onondaga Nation, New York)                                          |
 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- |
-| en~  | eñ          | Mid front nasal vowel                           |
-| EN~  | EÑ          | Mid front nasal vowel (capital)                 |
-| on~  | oñ          | Back high nasal vowel                           |
-| ON~  | OÑ          | Back high nasal vowel (capital)                 |
+| en-  | eñ          | Mid front nasal vowel                           |
+| EN-  | EÑ          | Mid front nasal vowel (capital)                 |
+| on-  | oñ          | Back high nasal vowel                           |
+| ON-  | OÑ          | Back high nasal vowel (capital)                 |
 | a\"   | ä           | Low front rounded vowel                         |
 | A\"   | Ä           | Low front rounded vowel (capital)               |
 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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2.46.0

bug#75448: [PATCH] Fix documentation of Iroquoian input methods

[Stefan Kangas]

Version: 31.1

Kierin Bell <fernseed@fernseed.me> writes:

> This patch fixes a typo in the documentation for Iroquoian input methods
> for the Oneida endonym, propagated by copy-paste into comments,
> docstrings, and the NEWS entry. The previous spelling 'Onʌyota:ká:' was
> missing the third syllable and also used an idiosyncratic orthography.
> There are two common orthographic variants that I've seen:
> 'Onʌyote’a·ká·' (common in community language programs) and
> 'Onyotaˀa·ká·' (used in Karin Michelson's 2002
> 'Oneida-English/English-Oneida Dictionary'). I opted for the former.
>
> There is also a small fix for an incorrect input key given in one of the
> input method docstrings.

Thanks!  Pushed to master as commit bdccd4ea9e9.

I'm therefore closing this bug report.

bug#75448: [PATCH] Fix documentation of Iroquoian input methods

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Kierin Bell <fernseed@fernseed.me>
> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2025 19:39:12 -0500
> 
> This patch fixes a typo in the documentation for Iroquoian input methods
> for the Oneida endonym, propagated by copy-paste into comments,
> docstrings, and the NEWS entry. The previous spelling 'Onʌyota:ká:' was
> missing the third syllable and also used an idiosyncratic orthography.
> There are two common orthographic variants that I've seen:
> 'Onʌyote’a·ká·' (common in community language programs) and
> 'Onyotaˀa·ká·' (used in Karin Michelson's 2002
> 'Oneida-English/English-Oneida Dictionary'). I opted for the former.

Since these are very delicate matters, I'd like us to go by the
orthography that is really widely accepted.  In Wikipedia
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_language), I see "onʌjotaʔaːka"
and "onʌjoteʔaːkaː", which is different from what you show.  I wonder
what should we use, given so many different variants.

> There is also a small fix for an incorrect input key given in one of the
> input method docstrings. 

I agree that factually the input method behaves as you describe in
your patch, but is it not more reasonable to change the code to behave
as the documentation says?  Why should '-' after 'n' produce ñ?  It
sounds like using '~' for that is better mnemonically?

Thanks.

bug#75448: [PATCH] Fix documentation of Iroquoian input methods

[Stefan Kangas]

reopen 75448
thanks

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Kierin Bell <fernseed@fernseed.me>
>> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2025 19:39:12 -0500
>>
>> This patch fixes a typo in the documentation for Iroquoian input methods
>> for the Oneida endonym, propagated by copy-paste into comments,
>> docstrings, and the NEWS entry. The previous spelling 'Onʌyota:ká:' was
>> missing the third syllable and also used an idiosyncratic orthography.
>> There are two common orthographic variants that I've seen:
>> 'Onʌyote’a·ká·' (common in community language programs) and
>> 'Onyotaˀa·ká·' (used in Karin Michelson's 2002
>> 'Oneida-English/English-Oneida Dictionary'). I opted for the former.
>
> Since these are very delicate matters, I'd like us to go by the
> orthography that is really widely accepted.  In Wikipedia
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_language), I see "onʌjotaʔaːka"
> and "onʌjoteʔaːkaː", which is different from what you show.  I wonder
> what should we use, given so many different variants.
>
>> There is also a small fix for an incorrect input key given in one of the
>> input method docstrings.
>
> I agree that factually the input method behaves as you describe in
> your patch, but is it not more reasonable to change the code to behave
> as the documentation says?  Why should '-' after 'n' produce ñ?  It
> sounds like using '~' for that is better mnemonically?

Thanks for paying attention to details, Eli.

The patch is already installed, but I'm reopening the bug until we have
agreed how to proceed here.