From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Schmidt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12370: 24.2.50; Unconditionally inhibit startup echo area message Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 17:15:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <87bohjb01k@ch.ristopher.com> References: <87zk53z3mb@ch.ristopher.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1346948167 7417 80.91.229.3 (6 Sep 2012 16:16:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 16:16:07 +0000 (UTC) To: 12370@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 18:16:08 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T9ekR-0004fD-If for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:16:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34760 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T9ekO-0004yY-3g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:15:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T9ejV-0006JL-Mk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:15:14 -0400 Original-Received: from ristopher.com ([146.185.21.93]:55208 helo=saturn.ch.ristopher.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T9ejV-0006IJ-ER for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: by saturn.ch.ristopher.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7A90B20D4F; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 17:15:07 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ch.ristopher.com; s=mail; t=1346948107; bh=BsnCLeuDFFE796UEFW0VABb7fafjonvhTeN//A8/j4Q=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Date; b=g99w2XvFkLPEs6mBM47f/NEO9WhEBt6urD8llRS97Ndr3nnAWGnZEolCyugBIn/ek wdWvjpGHfnc+cBKw7aiEHgbtaoCMtRi38iGnH5MCgAzv0qbNE3oDfRMkXWBBqyP0OZ cyqGJMn6BtVMnGub1x4jLYhMdsu423OrFQEiU7Zk= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 06 Sep 2012 10:34:17 -0400") Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:63858 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> IMO there should be another possible value option for >> inhibit-startup-echo-area-message - a non-nil, non-string value >> unconditionally inhibits the startup echo are message. > > Why? I would like to unconditionally remove the startup echo area message because I do not like noise and repetition. ATM I use this form: (defadvice display-startup-echo-area-message (around my-disable activate)) I do not like advising undocumented, internal functions. Off topic: I don't want to use inhibit-startup-echo-area-message via setq in my init.el because my init.el is just a bootstrapping stub that loads my real configuration files. This indirection is necessary for my autocompile implementation and initialisation structurization. Forms like (setq inhibit-startup-echo-area-message ...) do not belong in my user-init-file. I share the same Emacs configuration between multiple machines and user accounts. When setting up a new environment, I would like to clone my configuration repository, symlink the dir to ~/.emacs.d and get started. Remembering to add a setq inhibit-startup-echo-area-message form violates my zeroconf policy and screws with my vc. I would like to keep my emacs configuration independent of the user name I am using. I think the two are should have no influence on each other. > PS: The main reason for the strangeness is that we want to make sure > that the startup message is not disabled site-wide, which would > prevent a new user from seeing it. I am not arguing in favour of removing that strangeness. It just does not work for me. This is why I am proposing to add another value option. I think my use case is not that much out of the ordinary. Stefan, incase I share my emacs configuration I will personally make sure that the other side knows about the -q switch and C-h C-a. Not that this will help much, but I will do that... Christopher