From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43830: keyboard layout handling incompatible with rest of the OS Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 09:53:08 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87blghbjpn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87h7r78a5y.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87imbn2iwm.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2kisawy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83362qa073.fsf@gnu.org> <87blhdrhww.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83362p85l3.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2jqcrvn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3232"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 43830@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Pogonyshev Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 01 09:02:16 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kZ8Jb-0000ji-Qh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 09:02:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59068 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZ8Ja-0003mF-St for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:02:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZ8JO-0003jN-UG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:02:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZ8JO-0003c8-Jm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:02:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZ8JO-0000Nw-Hd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:02:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 08:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43830 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43830-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43830.16042176751404 (code B ref 43830); Sun, 01 Nov 2020 08:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43830) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2020 08:01:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZ8Ic-0000Ma-Rl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:01:15 -0500 Original-Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:54407) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZ8IY-0000M6-SU for 43830@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:01:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CB3C240003; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 08:01:02 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Paul Pogonyshev's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:16:59 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:192334 Archived-At: >> Why would you need that? If we decide to use XkbTranslateKeyCode, we >> could translate the keycode in C, according to some logic that took >> into account the modifiers and perhaps also some user options, and >> returned the resulting translated character. > > The point is that the character is not enough, you need to know both > the character and the physical key (you cannot reconstruct the key > from the character alone). E.g. suppose I type 'Ê' in Russian layout. > If it is a self-inserting command, character 'Ê' should be added to the > active buffer. But if I'm typing a multikey binding, it should be > interpreted as 'q' (it's the same physical key), so that e.g. 'C-Þ Ê' is > translated to 'C-x q'. What is worse is that in a writable buffer, typing 'Ê' should insert this character untranslated, but in the same buffer when it's in read-only view mode, typing the same 'Ê' should translate it to 'q' and quit the buffer with the View-quit command. When using reverse-im with local-function-key-map, the Help buffer says: q (translated from Ê) runs the command View-quit. So the question is whether it's possible to do the same using XkbTranslateKeyCode? The local-function-key-map is smart enough to not translate self-inserting keys. Can code for XkbTranslateKeyCode use the same condition to detect self-inserting keys?