* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. @ 2021-11-14 14:31 André A. Gomes 2021-11-14 15:04 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: André A. Gomes @ 2021-11-14 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 51847 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 105 bytes --] Hi Emacs, Please find a refcard patch attached. -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World" [-- Attachment #2: 0001-Fix-C-k-description-in-refcards.patch --] [-- Type: text/x-patch, Size: 5711 bytes --] From faf697747be7857900e5c7f9eaa01e477d3b6fe1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Andr=C3=A9=20A=2E=20Gomes?= <andremegafone@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:25:51 +0300 Subject: [PATCH] Fix C-k description in refcards. C-0 C-k is much easier to type than M-0 C-k. --- etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex | 4 ++-- etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex | 2 +- 8 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex index 4d9a8b34ae..f778cc47d5 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex @@ -354,7 +354,7 @@ \section{Rušení a mazání} \threecol{{\bf rušený objekt }}{{\bf dozadu}}{{\bf dopředu}} \threecol{znak (mazání, ne rušení)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{slovo}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{řádek (do konce)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{řádek (do konce)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{věta}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{symbolický výraz}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex index 9cd0df7a5e..73ce25efb9 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex @@ -357,7 +357,7 @@ \section{L\"oschen und Ausschneiden} \threecol{{\bf Textteile ausschneiden}}{{\bf r\"uckw.}}{{\bf vorw.}} \threecol{Zeichen (l\"oschen, nicht ausschneiden)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{Wort}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{Zeile (bis zum Ende)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{Zeile (bis zum Ende)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{Satz}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{Lisp-s-expression}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex index ad6db6340d..db06d46d63 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex @@ -355,7 +355,7 @@ \section{D\'etruire et supprimer} \threecol{{\bf Objet \`a supprimer}}{{\bf En arri\`ere}}{{\bf En avant}} \threecol{Caract\`ere (suppression)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{Mot}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{Ligne (jusqu'au d\'ebut/fin)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{Ligne (jusqu'au d\'ebut/fin)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{Phrase}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{S-expression}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex index 5c12dbfbf5..e00a095f93 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex @@ -456,13 +456,13 @@ \section{Kasowanie i usuwanie} %\threecol{{\bf entity to kill}}{{\bf backward}}{{\bf forward}} %\threecol{character (delete, not kill)}{DEL}{C-d} %\threecol{word}{M-DEL}{M-d} -%\threecol{line (to end of)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +%\threecol{line (to end of)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} %\threecol{sentence}{C-x DEL}{M-k} %\threecol{sexp}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} \threecolheader{{\bf obiekt do skasowania}}{{\bf wstecz}}{{\bf wprz/od}} \threecol{znak (usu/n, nie kasuj)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{s/lowo}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{linia (od kursora do ko/nca)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{linia (od kursora do ko/nca)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{zdanie}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{s-wyra/zenie}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex index 9226a6d8fb..c08ddd799d 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex @@ -361,7 +361,7 @@ \section{Cortando e Apagando} \threecol{{\bf entidade a cortar}}{{\bf tr{\'a}s}}{{\bf frente}} \threecol{caracter (apaga, n{\~a}o corta)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{palavra}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{linha (at{\'e} o final)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{linha (at{\'e} o final)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{senten{\c{c}}a}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{sexp}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/refcard.tex index bc057569a7..3ce44c5b7d 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/refcard.tex @@ -367,7 +367,7 @@ \section{Killing and Deleting} \threecol{{\bf entity to kill}}{{\bf backward}}{{\bf forward}} \threecol{character (delete, not kill)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{word}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{line (to end of)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{line (to end of)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{sentence}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{sexp}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex index 018be36eb4..39067ee24b 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex @@ -174,7 +174,7 @@ \section{Уничтожение и удаление} {\bf уничтожаемый объект} & {\bf назад} & {\bf вперед} \\ символ (удаление, а не уничтожение) & \kbd{DEL} & \kbd{C-d} \\ слово & \kbd{M-DEL} & \kbd{M-d} \\ -строка (до конца строки) & \kbd{M-0 C-k} & \kbd{C-k} \\ +строка (до конца строки) & \kbd{C-0 C-k} & \kbd{C-k} \\ предложение & \kbd{C-x DEL} & \kbd{M-k} \\ выражение & \kbd{M-- C-M-k} & \kbd{C-M-k} \\ \end{tabular} diff --git a/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex index bda808f232..ca0cf98c74 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex @@ -354,7 +354,7 @@ \section{Rušenie a mazanie} \threecol{{\bf rušený objekt }}{{\bf vzad}}{{\bf vpred}} \threecol{znak (mazanie, nie rušenie)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{slovo}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{riadok (do konca)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{riadok (do konca)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{veta}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{symbolický výraz}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } -- 2.33.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 14:31 bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix André A. Gomes @ 2021-11-14 15:04 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-11-14 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: André A. Gomes; +Cc: 51847 > From: André A. Gomes <andremegafone@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:31:29 +0300 > > Please find a refcard patch attached. Thanks, but what is the reason for the change? M-0 invokes the same command as C-0. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. [not found] ` <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> @ 2021-11-14 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii 2021-11-14 15:35 ` André A. Gomes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-11-14 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: André A. Gomes; +Cc: 51847 [Please use Reply All to keep the bug tracker on the CC list.] > From: André A. Gomes <andremegafone@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:13:30 +0300 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > Thanks, but what is the reason for the change? M-0 invokes the same > > command as C-0. > > As stated in the commit message, it's easier to type C-0 C-k than M-0 > C-k. > > Mickey Peterson in his book "Mastering Emacs", calls such a thing > "maintaining the tempo". For example, "C-- M-d" and "M-- M-d" are > equivalent, but the latter is much easier to type. The former is said > to "break the tempo". But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the former. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-11-14 15:35 ` André A. Gomes 2021-11-14 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: André A. Gomes @ 2021-11-14 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 51847 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> As stated in the commit message, it's easier to type C-0 C-k than M-0 >> C-k. >> >> Mickey Peterson in his book "Mastering Emacs", calls such a thing >> "maintaining the tempo". For example, "C-- M-d" and "M-- M-d" are >> equivalent, but the latter is much easier to type. The former is said >> to "break the tempo". > > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the > former. I see. I wasn't aware of that. Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 15:35 ` André A. Gomes @ 2021-11-14 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii 2021-11-14 16:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-11-14 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: André A. Gomes; +Cc: 51847 > From: André A. Gomes <andremegafone@gmail.com> > Cc: 51847@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:35:51 +0300 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > >> As stated in the commit message, it's easier to type C-0 C-k than M-0 > >> C-k. > >> > >> Mickey Peterson in his book "Mastering Emacs", calls such a thing > >> "maintaining the tempo". For example, "C-- M-d" and "M-- M-d" are > >> equivalent, but the latter is much easier to type. The former is said > >> to "break the tempo". > > > > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, > > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the > > former. > > I see. I wasn't aware of that. > > Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-11-14 16:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2021-11-14 16:36 ` André A. Gomes 2021-11-14 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-14 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: André A. Gomes, 51847 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, >> > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the >> > former. >> >> I see. I wasn't aware of that. >> >> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? > > I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 16:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-14 16:36 ` André A. Gomes 2021-11-14 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: André A. Gomes @ 2021-11-14 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 51847 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > >>> > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, >>> > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the >>> > former. >>> >>> I see. I wasn't aware of that. >>> >>> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? >> >> I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? > > We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on > both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make > this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. We agree. But the question at hand is if the patch (yet to be sent by me) that replaces "M-0 C-k" by "C-u 0 C-k" would be accepted. -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 16:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2021-11-14 16:36 ` André A. Gomes @ 2021-11-14 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii 2021-11-14 16:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-11-14 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: andremegafone, 51847 > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> > Cc: André A. Gomes <andremegafone@gmail.com>, > 51847@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:30:13 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > >> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? > > > > I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? > > We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on > both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make > this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. That's true and agreed, but "C-u 0 C-k" works on TTY as well. So the question is would it be better to replace "M-0 C-k" with "C-u 0 C-k". ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-11-14 16:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2021-11-14 17:31 ` André A. Gomes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-14 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: andremegafone, 51847 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> >> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? >> > >> > I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? >> >> We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on >> both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make >> this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. > > That's true and agreed, but "C-u 0 C-k" works on TTY as well. So the > question is would it be better to replace "M-0 C-k" with "C-u 0 C-k". Sorry; I missed that you'd changed what you were discussing. Uhm... I dunno. The two are about equally awkward to type, so I'm not sure changing it is an improvement. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 16:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-14 17:31 ` André A. Gomes 2021-12-23 10:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: André A. Gomes @ 2021-11-14 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 51847 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> That's true and agreed, but "C-u 0 C-k" works on TTY as well. So the >> question is would it be better to replace "M-0 C-k" with "C-u 0 C-k". > > Sorry; I missed that you'd changed what you were discussing. > > Uhm... I dunno. The two are about equally awkward to type, so I'm not > sure changing it is an improvement. As I mentioned before in this thread, M-0 C-k "breaks the tempo", while C-u 0 C-k doesn't. -- André A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. 2021-11-14 17:31 ` André A. Gomes @ 2021-12-23 10:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-12-23 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: André A. Gomes; +Cc: 51847 André A. Gomes <andremegafone@gmail.com> writes: >> Uhm... I dunno. The two are about equally awkward to type, so I'm not >> sure changing it is an improvement. > > As I mentioned before in this thread, M-0 C-k "breaks the tempo", while > C-u 0 C-k doesn't. I think there wasn't much enthusiasm for changing this, as neither seems to be clearly superior to the other, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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