From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52870: Is displaying bindings in describe-function useful? Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:09:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87bl0dwbrd.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83wnjnk0at.fsf@gnu.org> <83lf03jqvr.fsf@gnu.org> <83tueqimwc.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7366"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 52870@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 15 11:12:50 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g3G-0001d6-1N for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:12:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41270 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g3E-00007C-D9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:12:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g1b-0008WS-15 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:11:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g1X-0001Q7-4U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:11:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g1X-00059l-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:11:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52870 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52870-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52870.164224140919723 (code B ref 52870); Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:11:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52870) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2022 10:10:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g0f-000581-78 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:47698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g0d-00057g-HN for 52870@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:10:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6NsuKw+bhecDp4lzMNubuTO28zVrpwuwKJdtgrpld5g=; b=KaFE18JG3oBwZCMEVuDuelHpxn LyH4X+ZPcnbletk2dvNe7qpVvJe/0dYPljzKlmHHg3PuR//vZHqgusaIC4HULyy2rzEIkBmFssmKj TQ0fOTxSjRDEwHL1GgloGZ+0h2NGzcJE56IZ7CKJCShPWRFZXzdkOTeCPJWJXUisu8yo=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n8g0U-0003PH-LU; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:10:01 +0100 X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Archives: The Early Years (5)_: "Marcie" In-Reply-To: <83tueqimwc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 30 Dec 2021 09:15:31 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224277 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> What is your rationale for this? Is it easier to accept if it is before >> the "Probably introduced" line? > > The rationale is that hardly anyone ever looks at the "Probably > introduced" line. Before it is slightly better, but not good enough: > some doc strings are very long, so the menu-bar bindings will be > pushed too far. I think saying explictly It can be invoked from the menu: "Help Menu" -> "Describe..." is a lot clearer (and helpful) for users than the current It is bound to C-h f, f, . Perhaps keeping it grouped with the binding info would be good, though. So: It is bound to C-h f and f It can also be invoked from the menu: "Help Menu" -> "Describe" ... or something like that? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no