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Mon, 06 Feb 2023 02:43:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87bkm7cd0d.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:19:14 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:254946 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko [2023-02-06 10:19 +0000] wrote: > Robert Pluim writes: > >> One point here: Emacs allows 'improper' alists without complaining: >> >> (alist-get 1 '((2 . 4) >> 5 >> (3 . 1) >> (1 . 7))) >> >> =3D> 7 >> >> so we=CA=BCd have to be careful about how we defined `alistp' > > This is no different from plists: > > (plistp '(1 2 3)) ; =3D> nil > (plist-get '(1 2 3) 1) ; =3D> 2 Exactly, hence why there is no 'standard' alistp, or why there was no plistp for a very long time: every application has a different notion of / heuristic for what is permissible as an alist or plist. It is impossible to cover them all, and usually quite easy to write an application-specific predicate (not that I object to adding alistp). --=20 Basil