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From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs'
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:42:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a8l5t7sf.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57068A18.40207@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:26:00 -0700")

Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> writes:

> On 04/07/2016 09:07 AM, Phillip Lord wrote:
>> Well, I need to scope this. If the issue is tcsh and bash, then I will
>> look at both. I cannot, of course, look at any arbitrary program which
>> might be affected.
>
> I think we'd be OK if we work with the "common" shells. But that would include
> zsh, whose current FAQ says the following:
>
>   Probably the most reliable way of dealing with this is to look for
>     the environment variable `$EMACS', which is set to `t' in
>     Emacs' shell mode.  Putting
>
>       [[ $EMACS = t ]] && unsetopt zle
>
>     in your .zshrc should be sufficient.
>
> So here it's not merely a matter of fixing zsh, it's also fixing all the
> users' .zshrc files that are following this (obsolescent) advice.
>
> So far we've looked at three shells (bash, tcsh, zsh), and found compatibility
> issues with all three. This is not a good sign.

Incidentally, I have looked again at #20484. What ever it is that is
supporting the directory tracking, it is not the EMACS=t behaviour of 
bash, since in ansi-term we have:

 (format "EMACS=%s (term:%s)" emacs-version term-protocol-version)

This usage will happily not break cask, since it was never supported in
the first place.

On the other hand, directory tracking works just fine in M-x shell in
both Emacs-25.0.91, and Emacs-25 head. So, the EMACS=t setting is not
an issue there either. And, dir tracking is not an issue at all for M-x
compile.

This suggests a simple fix: restore beaab89, except for the bit dealing
with ansi-term, which remains for the sake of future compatability. Both
bug reports are fixed. Anyone launching cask (or the make files Eli
Barzilay talked about in #20202) inside ansi-term may still have
problems.

ansi-term is already exceptional, note, because it does not obey the
"don't fiddle with EMACS if EMACS is already set" semantics.

Phil






  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-07 21:42 UTC|newest]

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2016-04-07 14:57                 ` bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Paul Eggert
     [not found]               ` <c32b8d04f5c78203f06c4e48e03b37b0.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com>
2016-04-07 15:01                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 15:18                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 15:25                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 16:01                       ` Glenn Morris
2016-04-07 16:07                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 16:26                         ` bug#20484: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 19:55                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 22:20                             ` bug#20484: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08  7:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 13:09                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 20:50                                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 21:20                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08  7:03                             ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08  7:34                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-08 13:12                               ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 21:42                           ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2016-04-08  7:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 16:49                               ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 18:12                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 16:51                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-07 16:59                         ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 18:58                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-07 19:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 22:01                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08  7:00                                 ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 15:32                                   ` Glenn Morris
2016-04-08 15:59                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-01 23:36                                       ` bug#20484: 25.0.50; Directory tracking in ansi-term broken Jacob Oursland
2015-05-02  2:17                                         ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-02  2:43                                           ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-02 19:33                                             ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-03  5:45                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-03  6:15                                                 ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-03 16:29                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-03 17:36                                                   ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-04  2:06                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-04 16:15                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-03 17:57                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-03 19:09                                                   ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-04  2:07                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 22:15                                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 18:47                                         ` bug#20484: Bash 4.4-rc1 incompatibility with future Emacs $EMACS Paul Eggert
2016-04-09  2:24                                         ` bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Glenn Morris
2016-04-09  8:43                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-09 13:43                                           ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-09 21:56                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-09 23:40                                               ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-10  0:08                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-10  3:30                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-10 13:57                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-11  5:50                                                       ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-10  8:26                                                   ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-10 13:59                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-11 12:32                                                       ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-10  8:25                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-03-25 21:44                                                   ` bug#20202: 24.3; Comint mode sets a bad $EMACS Eli Barzilay
2015-03-26  0:46                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-28 15:27                                                       ` Eli Barzilay
2015-04-09 15:02                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-10 12:18                                                     ` bug#20202: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Markus Triska
2016-04-11 12:38                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2018-05-24 20:46                                                     ` bug#20202: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Phillip Lord
2016-04-10  7:13                                               ` bug#20202: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Michael Albinus
2016-04-10  8:51                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-10  9:31                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-08 16:46                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 17:12                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 18:14                                       ` bug#20202: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 17:47                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 13:15                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 13:40                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 15:45                                   ` bug#20202: " Glenn Morris
2016-04-08 16:01                                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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