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Contovounesios" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34975: 26.1.92; In backquote, the comma marker does not work with variable name started with dot Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 23:28:55 +0100 Message-ID: <87a7h54d7c.fsf@tcd.ie> References: <87sgvcxpzh.fsf@web.de> <1430c67b-c447-47b4-92b3-1cba335e8193@default> <877ecnybya.fsf@web.de> <87wokae99v.fsf@gmail.com> <83mul5dih0.fsf@gnu.org> <87mul5ewbn.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="196802"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, mail@xuchunyang.me, 34975@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 05 00:30:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hCAs6-000p4p-Vj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 00:30:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60457 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hCAs5-0005CT-PR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 18:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56915) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hCAs0-0005CH-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 18:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hCArz-0005lL-7F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 18:30:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59468) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hCArz-0005ky-24 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 18:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hCAry-0005K9-OA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 18:30:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Basil L. 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I think it makes sense to just >>> remove this reader macro, as far as I can tell, nobody really wants this >>> destructive splicing feature. >> >> How hard would it be fixing it? I'm uneasy with removing features >> because we are confused about them. > > The destructive splicing feature was never added though. Only the > reader macro part. But if you're asking about possible breakage, then > yes, it's possible that someone out there wrote a macro which gives some > semantics to ",.", like pcase gives its own semantics to "`" and ",". I, for one, have several times found myself using nconc+list where I would rather use backquote, precisely because the latter is never destructive. Not a must-have by any measure, but definitely a nice-to-have, especially given the reader macro already exists. -- Basil