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* bug#19393: 25.0.50; Emacs cannot determine coding system of ISO-8859 encoded files
@ 2014-12-16 15:21 Tassilo Horn
  2014-12-16 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
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  0 siblings, 4 replies; 33+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2014-12-16 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 19393


I've dowloaded the following file

  ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pub/misc/movies/database/movies.list.gz

which contains all movies known to the international movie database
(IMDb.com).  When I open that file using "emacs -Q movies.list.gz" (or
unzip it first) and then do M-x describe-coding-system I can see that it
is "t -- raw-text-unix".  As a result of this, the last movie in that
file is displayed as "\374\347 (2012) 2012".

However, according to the `file' command, the file is plain ISO-8859.
And I can easily convert it to UTF-8 using

  % iconv -f ISO-8859-15 -t UTF-8 < movies.list > movies.list.utf8

without any encoding errors being reported.

Emacs can guess the encoding of the resulting UTF-8 encoded file
movies.list.utf8, i.e., the coding system when opening the file is "U --
utf-8-unix".  Emacs shows the last movie as "üç (2012) 2012" which is
correct.

I also tried

  % iconv -f ISO-8859-15 -t ISO-8859-15 < movies.list > movies.list.iso-8859

but for the result file movies.list.iso-8859 the same issue as for the
original file applies, i.e., Emacs uses the encoding "t --
raw-text-unix" and displays garbage for all non-ASCII characters.

I also can't force Emacs to use ISO-8859 for that or the original file.
`C-x RET f iso-8859-15 RET' results in a query that certain characters
cannot be encoded using latin-9, e.g., \374 and \347, and I'm expected
to choose another encoding.

So `file' and `iconv' say the file is valid latin-9 but Emacs seems to
disagree.  Who is correct?  I tend towards file/iconv but I might be
wrong.

And shouldn't it be possible to force Emacs to a certain coding system?
I mean, even if a file's content has a broken encoding, e.g., coding X
in part A, coding Y in part B, I might want to switch to X in order to
be able to read part A at all.  (Ok, in that case I should get a big fat
warning that saving the buffer will corrupt the file even more.  Or
maybe the buffer should become read-only...)

The issue can be reproduced also with the other IMDb files containing
non-ASCII chars, e.g., actors.list.gz, actresses.list.gz, etc.  They are
all available in the FTP directory above.



In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.10 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5)
 of 2014-12-16 on thinkpad-t440p
Repository revision: 15426191a1353ac208d8ebe4a5920228e0df41a4
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11602901
System Description:	Arch Linux

Configured features:
XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND GPM DBUS GCONF GSETTINGS
NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LC_MONETARY: de_DE.utf8
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: de_DE.utf8
  value of $LC_TIME: de_DE.utf8
  value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Group

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2014-12-16 19:22     ` Tassilo Horn
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2014-12-18  1:47             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
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2014-12-18 16:36                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
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2014-12-20  3:21                     ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2014-12-20  7:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-13 14:06                         ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-01-13 16:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-13 17:12                             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-01-13 17:31                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-14 19:41                           ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-01-15 13:38                             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-01-15 16:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-15 17:00                                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2020-09-07 21:30                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-10  0:43                             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2020-09-10 13:17                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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