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[95.62.181.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n10sm6710649wrw.76.2021.08.20.12.51.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 20 Aug 2021 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 20 Aug 2021 16:38:35 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:212304 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> But I don't think we can change the defaults here (it would drive (some) >> people crazy), > > Who? Why? How consequential? What about others? > > How about one good argument why `?', `SPC', and `C-j' > shouldn't be self-inserting in the minibuffer, in > general? If you were designing Emacs today, would > you make the same argument? I don't know about good arguments, but FWIW on AZERTY, where '-' is a pain to reach for, I enjoy 'SPC' doing word completion and inserting hyphens for Elisp symbols on M-x, C-h v, C-h f, etc. I'll admit it's a pretty niche use-case, although off the top of my head, I can't find much uses for self-inserting SPC/?/C-j in the minibuffer either (Emacs 28's yank-from-kill-ring comes to mind, but '?' and 'SPC' are already self-inserting there[1]). [1] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/lisp/simple.el?id=00a9c50ad7c82f72b422100624f7f125d717c00f#n5793