From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Akib Azmain Turja via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 21:35:10 +0600 Message-ID: <87a61orx01.fsf@disroot.org> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilgccnni.fsf@dick> Reply-To: Akib Azmain Turja Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9937"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , yantar92@posteo.net, Richard Stallman , 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: dick Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 16:48:18 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pPmgD-0002Kx-VH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 16:48:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPmfz-0000V4-Od; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 10:48:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPmfz-0000Ub-0n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 10:48:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPmfy-0004g0-Oe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 10:48:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPmfy-0003pP-AI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 10:48:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Akib Azmain Turja Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 15:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167587126914621 (code B ref 61325); Wed, 08 Feb 2023 15:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2023 15:47:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPmfk-0003nj-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 10:47:49 -0500 Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:41348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPmfi-0003nE-CP for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 10:47:47 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E666D411A8; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 16:47:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mln67jTW4mnP; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 16:47:43 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1675871263; bh=E4hbXHO+L5X/iFbwRzFXmhGD8jhqvIXcTen/liLu4kE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=X0UzrvIDLj+4ZsgNg2HXVAEnkvbWhskJH3TeNrB4bI8hslLu8AIdr6s29nsBGddBQ 9RxMuxtZUuSwtKiBgqp44dWNqPZRPQw9o3ptB82L5z/yNDfgZhGkiF5BYdcTIZCWSV kU9p2ok6SsdfuekjrjvCm2exyhiWxZreb8xO37YUghIoZBpBhLrTiRbQ1WmaM9onpy WS/Rcq77NPeEDjbCnAJOWP/v337rwKyS8WKYEGThHdOmhAiRuww12TSn6j5+TkkN93 /bU/hW+NFGVkzXgjftzDMJjkqVBufELvuBWwWFFeBdQDR25lm5NJNP8IwjEbV+ItxN 32QaD9ZSjVqKA== In-Reply-To: <87ilgccnni.fsf@dick> (dick's message of "Wed, 08 Feb 2023 08:06:09 -0500") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255149 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dick writes: > I trust everyone here can acknowledge Gnus had long ago reached a > terminal state, and that new readers of the manual are more interested > in 1990s netspeak than actually using the software. As you readily > note, the manual is worthless for the latter's purpose. Gnusers > worldwide, all 12 of us, have long known this. +1, the manual is mostly useless for newbies. I learned mostly by experimenting (and often breaking Emacs) and other internet resources. > > I also trust everyone can see we're critiquing the equivalent of a five > year-old's clay ashtray as if it were a Confederate monument, which I > grant you is welcome respite from purposelessness and childlessness, but > nothing to build a head of steam about! Somehow, the Gnus manual seems to me less as a serious manual and more as a literature text. =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja, GPG key: 70018CE5819F17A3BBA666AFE74F0EFA922AE7F5 Fediverse: akib@hostux.social Codeberg: akib emailselfdefense.fsf.org | "Nothing can be secure without encryption." --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEyVTKmrtL6kNBe3FRVTX89U2IYWsFAmPjwS4ACgkQVTX89U2I YWumHRAArynB49lx5nc0lx9etpB9JHj5UtSeTlYae7iH9q+3yipfWEBSKUvSzw1m nhKS3NTmyqxMUZIp8ClNUwYMm6r0ZUTHtec7YuTnDSLVXyu9ds51/OvoIOBugy6u wSPZkwjSykylRqdOEpwRGMU+1WCbhHYtqK/yEwcJehl5ej93q7ogNCBv/ELAvNKw 3sZ9SzU8YRBmcv7MFk4tW5Gb2AUEELjmt3Z0p5yb9NAfnQ1p9y4Sz6qh8cCBCtYm My5E782BC1FZXadur5S66ocEwG2ZTxkFpVqERHlDIOTNXRUYKyzoMd7L+qMTQXoe F9b61eYZugBd4QyGo1AHnhhqnz6QnDgUSg6sbHE6OIPcu3xp3sNLd2TqE7l6fOS1 IPNn5PIlcCteDIpmzmSSi6aSc1SrIkY77IecXSXC2xOX9+2clwNLQtZwKnA7T30W 7+7tsUNvPmFywvX6r57AS24FQIkKdTlYqMDXYQLr3TLSPoVPKYCKGmGQaM8MZz7x oxDbuIwefB38pG2PIg7gvky5uGJspXsBrYh/ds4m8LMX8RMUdRJmxxu2pLDgYhcL D6On7TwwVkJtsdKxlbcXt0RcHanlvrmvPdSShIlJaypPcGNeHHqdt2wkP+ay+U4r SlU5uDOvFLsmlSgGRStO+x/UIZW5JdEqFtB0UOt9hI7t/P2t6Ug= =cQ+U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--