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[86.101.66.128]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e19-20020a5d5953000000b002e6a1bf2162sm370426wri.16.2023.03.31.07.13.16 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 31 Mar 2023 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87tu0tl1s4.fsf@hyperspace> (Tony Zorman's message of "Sat, 14 Jan 2023 13:48:59 +0100") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEWOdXElERN7LDLZs6/l 0dDQq6TepMcqAAACW0lEQVQ4jWWSzY7bMAyEaSm6mypylxjkroTRvUW8d9lavf+r7NDOZotWQHzg lyGHP0Sn5ed9qKrLWWIWos9/QJWIeCSywPNTd/AE0LtwFj7A+3WT5PwfeBrQKcsBnkfwVcNySWQr 3i34XN6gRNgis/v4uwSKHCD9lPitB0Aq9BHfHX4cgsI7cJJfLdZg/4bbCzoRmkD9MsagQSBDedZi CgNxkVSJmSOStTBUBKkywEnEoZzbwWj+ACiVJkF6pOpak2PMCqkMYDpaw+gatLR8atMOrB3JGzmm 3rSQo+tkxU+UAbhQSgtslULhsXKk6+IyQ1QTzeQB0MzjlpkCEUCeUdviWrwBcxVqpZjP+v0MYPA0 aq2rvIEZe4GRM0v+9QIB03rsABVSk5y+Mz3LSzExtJLlCCO6dV1uzDQFTBad+gO0TqqL9XE8x4ek +orvYiMJgzC8e+r6TqaPaK6QyqVNvoHtsRrooQ6tTi4vgaSkd8wIikodB3B0iIk58avsDdYNajpS bSKJ+mQnipGszB6zW4lGgsOkKHE2RWVcBpwhaIv3BYIAu3WsnC7YYKLRchp6w8fRGZIWiZuFsVai 7gbcUcJEhiDZ3K1+uzZvBlfaEO8oH4MLu6/hrKVM7QpQcIXJFuC1XjfbfKRxNslk94l9cYcEihV2 HWyNDQAXaLsvnrSyp7HaQhrAn13V6/XW11nh0XINBOEAV+tHK4EvAGNGvEwc0eZw8Vyr56imYEsV sOW9jxm/yb9AH1ufqGMviIK7A0Tc/723oM3tJ4HTOu9gDr3ftbdkxfdjsUv5AqWKwyfCYo5WAAAA AElFTkSuQmCC X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:258995 Archived-At: merge 60418 61937 thanks (I hope the above works, I've never merged bugs before.) Philip Kaludercic writes: > I have to admit that I am not a fan of this [adding package-vc support > to use-package]. Personally I install all my packages using regular > tarballs, and then manually select packages that I want to track in > source-form if I am interested in contributing a patch. > > One has to keep in mind that by default you will be checking out the tip > of the default development branch. This is not what GNU ELPA and NonGNU > ELPA do. I know *some other* archives do this, but IMO this contributes > to the instability that a lot of Emacs users experience in regards to > the packages in the Emacs world. Coincidentally I also believe that the > popularity of alternative (non-cooperative) package managers like this > "straight.el" boils down to the promise of being able to pin and revert > to previous packages states. Personally I believe that this is an > up-side-down approach to solve the problem from the wrong angle. The > default approach to package management should be reliable and suffice. I think Pandora's box is already open with having package-vc. Maybe use-package's package-vc integration should use more sensible defaults then? But if people don't like this feature, I personally won't press the issue further.