unofficial mirror of bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: materus213@gmail.com, 67393@debbugs.gnu.org,
	stefankangas@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#67393: 29.1; Slow to open file if autosave exists
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 20:17:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5pym3zb.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83edfa9k1y.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Consider that some command opens files one by one in sequence and one of
>> these files has auto save data. `after-find-file' will pause that
>> command, display the message, block Emacs (not allowing user to do
>> anything), and then continue running the command. User has no chance to
>> do anything about the auto save recovery until the command is finished
>> and also has to wait extra few seconds while Emacs is blocked.
>> (This is a real case I encountered with M-x org-agenda)
>
> Such a command, if it existed, should perhaps provide a better
> opportunity for the users, like prompt them for whether to recover
> from each autosave file before continuing to the next one.

May you please elaborate how a command calling of `find-file' or similar
can provide such prompt?

> But I was talking about "C-x C-f", the subject of this bug report,
> where such a problem doesn't exist.  By talking about a different
> command you simply change the subject, which doesn't help to make the
> discussion constructive.

Fair. My reply was more to

      (when (and warn msg)
	(message "%s" msg)
	(or not-serious (sit-for 1 t))))
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^

rather than to the original bug report.

But I am not sure if it is worth it to open a brand-new bug report about
`find-file' used from complex commands. 

>> In contrast, what I propose would make sure that the message is
>> displayed for at least some period of time after the command finishes.
>
> Imagine a command that needs the user to respond within a short time
> interval, after which the message becomes irrelevant, because the
> situation changed in a way that the information there is not longer
> pertinent.  Like in those mythical Mission Impossible movies: this
> message will auto-destruct in 5 seconds.  How will leaving all of
> those message on display help in that case?

I consider such situation worth a full interactive prompt, not limited
to 5 seconds.

For example, C-x C-f could prompt about recovering from backup file, if
such file is detected.

>> Moreover, if multiple files have auto save data, messages about all
>> these files will be displayed together without a need to dig into
>> *Messages* buffer.
>
> "Dig into *Messages*" is a strange phrase to hear from a veteran Emacs
> user.  I'd expect looking in *Messages* to be your second nature.

It is not.

> Some users even have the habit of leaving *Messages* constantly on
> display -- there's your "leave messages on display" proposal already
> available if someone wants that.

After `set-multi-message' became a thing, I no longer need to consult
*Messages* often. `set-multi-message' was really an eye-opener on how
much useful information I miss when messages are coming in quick
succession.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>





  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-25 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-23  0:28 bug#67393: 29.1; Slow to open file if autosave exists materus213
2023-11-23  6:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-22 14:56   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-23 14:34     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-23 17:23       ` Juri Linkov
2023-12-23 18:05         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:34           ` Juri Linkov
2023-12-24 18:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 19:03               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 19:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 19:49                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 20:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 16:50                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 16:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 17:18                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 17:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 18:40                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 19:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 20:17                                   ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-12-27 12:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 13:59                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-27 17:20               ` Juri Linkov
2023-12-27 17:33                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28  7:57                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-01-16 16:36                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-01-16 17:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-16 17:43                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-01-16 18:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-17 16:48                             ` Juri Linkov

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=87a5pym3zb.fsf@localhost \
    --to=yantar92@posteo.net \
    --cc=67393@debbugs.gnu.org \
    --cc=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=juri@linkov.net \
    --cc=materus213@gmail.com \
    --cc=stefankangas@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).