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* bug#7986: 23.2.91; Remove unwise advice from manual
@ 2011-02-04 23:26 Reuben Thomas
  2011-02-04 23:57 ` Lennart Borgman
  2011-02-09  0:28 ` Chong Yidong
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Reuben Thomas @ 2011-02-04 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 7986

In “Hooks for Loading” the manual says:

   But it is OK to use `eval-after-load' in your personal
customizations if you don't feel that they must meet the design
standards for programs meant for wider use.

This sort of advice tends to be unwise to give, because people write
code for their own use, then later distribute it and forget to clean it
up. In any case, the solutions in this case, as explained in the
previous paragraph:

   Normally, well-designed Lisp programs should not use
`eval-after-load'.  If you need to examine and set the variables
defined in another library (those meant for outside use), you can do it
immediately--there is no need to wait until the library is loaded.  If
you need to call functions defined by that library, you should load the
library, preferably with `require' (*note Named Features::).

are easier to write than the bad code. Hence, I suggest the offending
paragraph (the first one I quoted above) be removed.


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