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From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 25111@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#25111:
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 22:11:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878trmxgjh.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bmwlggix.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2016 19:26:46 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
>> Cc: 25111@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 17:17:51 +0000
>>
>> My own feeling is that "inhibit-modification-hooks" should *only* be for
>> modifications that really should not be detected by anything else. I can
>> think of examples of this (I used to change the buffer to display a
>> completion string to the user for instance, although I now use an
>> "after-string" overlay property).
>> 
>> The simplest advice makes calls to the modification hooks consistent is
>> to say "You should not modify the buffer on these hooks". The potential
>> solution, for instance, for yasnippet is to record the changes on
>> after-change-function, and then change the buffer on
>> post-command-hook. I think this would work? Is this what the manual
>> should say?
>
> IMO, the manual should advise the safe practices, and then tell how to
> behave if the code really needs to play it less safe.  The former
> would be what you say above, I think.  But since we know there are
> packages out there that don't choose the safe approach, we should
> cover those as well.


So, instead of this:

     If these functions modify the buffer, they should bind
     ‘inhibit-modification-hooks’ to ‘t’ around doing so, to avoid
     confusing the internal mechanism that calls these hooks.


We could have:

    These functions should avoid unnecessarily modifying the buffer.
    Emacs binds 'inhibit-modification-hooks' to `t' during their
    evaluation, which means that any modifications will not be signalled
    to other hook functions listening for them.


Perhaps a better solution would be:


    These functions should avoid unnecessarily modifying the buffer; see
    Change Hooks for further details.


Then a new paragraph can be added to the Change Hooks section talking
about the complexity of modifying buffers on these hooks, with
alternatives.

I am happy to draft something if you wish.

Phil





  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-11 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-04 20:53 bug#25111: Phillip Lord
2016-12-05 15:33 ` bug#25111: Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <87wpfbpual.fsf@russet.org.uk>
2016-12-07 16:40     ` bug#25111: Phillip Lord
     [not found]     ` <WM!2f8d5bad87de09a0621b1f025704a97dd719ed1ae7d08e03f6b419e215cd51bc54917b522795d7421de3533c07950608!@mailhub-mx1>
2016-12-08 15:55       ` bug#25111: Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-09 17:17         ` bug#25111: Phillip Lord
2016-12-09 17:26           ` bug#25111: Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-11 22:11             ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2016-12-12 16:06               ` bug#25111: Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 20:31                 ` bug#25111: (Inaccurate documentation of inhibit-modification-hooks) Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-25 12:39                   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-25 13:44                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-25 14:36                       ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-27 14:31                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-06-03 19:15                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-06-03 19:26                             ` npostavs
2019-06-04  9:32                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-06-04 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09 12:00                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09 20:45                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-06-24 12:52                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-06-24 22:48                                       ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-25  9:17                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-25 13:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-05 17:39 ` bug#25111: How modification-hooks let-bind inhibit-modification-hooks? Noam Postavsky
2016-12-05 18:37   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 19:34 ` Noam Postavsky

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