From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19064: bug#17272: bug#19064: 25.0.50; `message' overwrites `y-or-n-p' prompt, so user misses it Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:53:14 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <878sojjved.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <8ea0a3fa-5169-4493-bd54-3ebe47836a35@default> <87r3i9nped.fsf@gnus.org> <87wps1m7co.fsf@web.de> <87y4chjdop.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ys3131.fsf@gnus.org> <875zjx6hs6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgmy3x22.fsf@gnus.org> <871rugbqmy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0dxyh7z.fsf@gnus.org> <53c55db5-d623-4946-af2e-d141e7bc7acd@default> <87sgmrpir5.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="2578"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 17272@debbugs.gnu.org, 19064@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 13 22:54:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0ae-0000Tv-CX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:54:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51462 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0ac-000557-Bl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:54:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0aU-00054u-R9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:54:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0aS-0001BU-QK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:54:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:51481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0aQ-0001Aj-Pp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:54:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0aQ-0007yP-HE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:54:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19064 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 19064-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19064.157368202730619 (code B ref 19064); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19064) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Nov 2019 21:53:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60301 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0aB-0007xn-3F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:53:47 -0500 Original-Received: from beige.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.16]:10426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0a5-0007xK-0X; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:53:41 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF35500E84; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-6-183.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.6.183]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CC5BA50132E; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:53:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:53:39 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Shade-Chemical: 01c79ef2513dede1_1573682019143_3902361149 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1573682019143:1665576802 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1573682019142 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E49384162; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:53:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=PhUaamoQ5ZOOjrryXz40MlQIFfU=; b= mH10HDnOfN6hxm/KI7x2jsh6fZhD4hFCnpCIXTwTLp/5qSJHwBOaPYVIYn0Sycln CdQY2/EGfsD5ftkEm2D3puEVpf6N2Ds3iNuAwxiCyKySa/ZKZQeKxoQmvcpzcpz5 Za/QmLXDVmmWLQKafd5G/HgNRdRW6vLXsdVI3z9nP2I= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-102-1.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E84FA85219; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:53:34 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a44 In-Reply-To: <87sgmrpir5.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:29:50 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:171513 Archived-At: >> I'm sorry, but I can't follow this. I don't know >> what's been changed, or why. (There are even two >> bugs that are being handled here, apparently.) > > I understand your question as if you want to know whether there has some > general magic been implemented to decide where to show messages. > > AFAIU the issues fixed were all special cases were a message hided some > y-or-n-p prompt so that the user may have missed the prompt, or may have > wondered what to do to get it back. > >> What I've said is that I object to an automatic >> attempt to determine, when the minibuffer is >> active, whether to realize the effect of `message' >> or the effect of `minibuffer-message'. > > AFAICT only the behavior for these special situations have been made a > bit more user friendly, and all other calls of message or mb-message are > uneffected (is that correct, Juri?) so that third party stuff should not > be affected. `y-or-n-p' has been reimplemented to use > read-from-minibuffer instead of read-key, however (Juri please correct > me if I'm wrong). Yes, this is correct.