From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43633: 28.0.50; Include definitions in glossary for: extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 21:50:01 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <878scrjnji.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <58D6F493-1E8C-407D-99C1-B3755EE71710@gnu.support> <20200930111528.GF31048@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27625"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 43633@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 30 21:22:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNhgR-000737-DW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 21:22:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34862 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNhgP-0004xx-Nx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:22:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNhdz-0002ss-NS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49859) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNhdz-00046s-D4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kNhdz-0003Aq-9L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:20:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:20:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43633-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43633.160149358512142 (code B ref 43633); Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:20:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43633) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2020 19:19:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33166 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kNhdg-00039f-J0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:19:44 -0400 Original-Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.232]:34617) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kNhdP-00038q-FH for 43633@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:19:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-108-13.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.108.13]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF4A0200006; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:19:18 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20200930111528.GF31048@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:15:28 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:189426 Archived-At: > If I wish to edit with "ed" I would say: > > $ ed file > > but then nothing would happen, nothing would be displayed. I would > need to do something like: > > i > New line written here > . > w > 22 > q > > then the line "New line written here" would be in the file, as I saved > it with "w" for 22 bytes, and quit with "q" Indeed, and 'ed' is still relevant today on minimized distributions where only 'ed' is available for editing (that even don't provide 'vi'). > Thus "real time display" editor is (probably) comparison to line > editors. This comparison was useful back in time, today it is hard to > explain to people. Emacs can't be described as "real-time" because it doesn't meet the demands of real-time systems according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_computing that at least require deterministic garbage collection.