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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	43887@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!");
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:33:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:49:23 +0300")

>> >> I see this when HELLO is displayed:
>> >>
>> >> Javanese (Jawa)	System.out.println("Sugeng siang!");
>> >
>> > It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa
>> > (the language).

Indeed, that was a stupid joke as these reports indicate.
The name of the programming language refers to coffee,
not to the language of people inhabiting the island.

> From view point of Jawa people, they will probably not understand Java
> programming language.
>
> From view point that Java is large island, with large number of people
> there, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java reference to 145
> millions, if I would be one of those, I would not understand it, and
> we can also think that some could be negatively impacted that their
> language is written that way. Thus from their viewpoint, joke could
> not be understood.

I completely agree.  The etc/HELLO was intended to be not a place
for dubious jokes, but a file that demonstrates to users that
non-ASCII characters of their scripts are supported in Emacs.
So for languages whose greetings don't contain non-ASCII letters,
such non-ASCII letters are presented in their language names.
This is the case for français, español, slovenščina, Türkçe.

But there is no point in showing ASCII-only letters for Javanese.
So I replaced this line with the proper Javanese script, and now
Javanese people will enjoy seeing that their script is supported by Emacs.

> I am proposing to make a button on Javanese Jawa line, so that their
> Hello remains there, but if user presses the button, that the joke appears.

Feel free to add such a button if you want.

PS: While at it, I also added support for Belarusian language in etc/HELLO.





  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-18 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-09 16:44 bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Jean Louis
2020-10-10 19:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-10 19:58   ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-10-11  9:04   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-11  9:09     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-11 12:54       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 13:47         ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-11 12:49     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18 20:33       ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2020-10-18 21:29         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-19  3:46           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19  4:35             ` Drew Adams
2020-10-19  8:01               ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-19  6:21             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-19  7:59             ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-19  7:55           ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-19  8:19             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-19 14:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-19 20:31               ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-20  2:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-20 18:18                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21  4:39                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19  9:46         ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-19 14:54           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-19 14:57             ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-19 15:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-19 15:17                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-19 20:30               ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-20  9:37                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-20 13:25                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 18:23                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21  9:56                     ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-21  6:53                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21  7:37                     ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-21  8:30                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-21 10:29                         ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-21 11:24                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-21 11:41                             ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-21 14:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 15:06                                 ` arthur miller
2020-10-21 15:35                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-21 17:45                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 18:11                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-21 17:34                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21  8:24                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-21 10:19                       ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-21 17:35                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 18:06                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-21 20:13                   ` Tomas Nordin
2020-10-22  6:58                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-22  8:48                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-22 20:10                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-19 15:41           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-19 16:06             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-19 16:12               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-19 16:34                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-19 17:10                   ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-10-19 16:25               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-19 16:13           ` Drew Adams
2020-10-20  9:19 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-10-20 12:05   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-20 12:16     ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-20 13:53     ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-10-20 14:55       ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 18:20   ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 15:32     ` Mattias Engdegård

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