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* bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
@ 2021-11-23 16:41 Steingold
  2021-11-24  7:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-25 11:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Steingold @ 2021-11-23 16:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 52061

I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.

When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
     ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks@CSL.sri.com")
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Sending...
Sending news via news.gmane.io using nntp...
441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 
Couldn’t send message via news: 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---




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* bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
  2021-11-23 16:41 bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist Steingold
@ 2021-11-24  7:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-24 16:50   ` Steingold
  2021-11-25 11:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-24  7:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steingold; +Cc: 52061

Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>
> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>
> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>
>      ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks@CSL.sri.com")
>
> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get

The help here says:

---
(gnus-define-group-parameter
 to-list
 :function-document
 "Return GROUP's to-list."
 :variable-document
 "*Alist of group regexps and correspondent to-lists."
 :variable-group gnus-group-parameter
 :parameter-type '(gnus-email-address :tag "To List")
 :parameter-document "\
This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.

It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
`f'.
---

Which is pretty confusing.  Hm.

When you say you reply, do you mean the `f' command?

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* bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
  2021-11-24  7:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-11-24 16:50   ` Steingold
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Steingold @ 2021-11-24 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 52061

> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@tahf.bet> [2021-11-24 08:44:40 +0100]:
>
> Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>>
>> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>>
>> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>>
>> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>>
>>      ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks@CSL.sri.com")
>>
>> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
>
> The help here says:
>
> ---
> (gnus-define-group-parameter
>  to-list
>  :function-document
>  "Return GROUP's to-list."
>  :variable-document
>  "*Alist of group regexps and correspondent to-lists."
>  :variable-group gnus-group-parameter
>  :parameter-type '(gnus-email-address :tag "To List")
>  :parameter-document "\
> This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.
>
> It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
> present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
> `f'.

hmmm, so how do I tell gnus to use mail semantics for followup?

> Which is pretty confusing.  Hm.

Moreover, I have been using `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist' for 10+
years, and I am pretty sure it used to work, say, 5(?) years ago.

> When you say you reply, do you mean the `f' command?

Yep.

Thank you!

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* bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
  2021-11-23 16:41 bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist Steingold
  2021-11-24  7:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-11-25 11:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-25 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steingold; +Cc: 52061

Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>
> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>
> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>
>      ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks@CSL.sri.com")
>
> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
>
> Sending...
> Sending news via news.gmane.io using nntp...
> 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 
> Couldn’t send message via news: 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 

[...]

> This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.
>
> It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
> present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
> `f'.

I now understand what this bit means: It means that if the setting is
present, `f' will work the same way that `S v' works.

And that's what happens when I try this in
nntp+news.gmane.io:gmane.comp.security.risks.  `f' gives me a *Message*
buffer that contains:

To: RISKS List Owner <risko@csl.sri.com>
Cc: risks-resend@csl.sri.com

So I'm unable to reproduce this problem in Emacs 29.

You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?

-- 
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