From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#2473: usability issues on emacs's describe-mode Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:50:32 +0200 Message-ID: <878rs9sqdz.fsf@gnus.org> References: <3FD7E241-BEE3-43D6-B7F6-79A3758562FB@xahlee.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3536"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: xah lee , 2473@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 13 03:51:16 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1neSA6-0000gZ-Jw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:51:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34286 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1neSA5-00056p-8K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38130) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1neS9u-00053Q-Ed for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1neS9u-00068T-5h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1neS9u-0006yK-2g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 2473 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 2473-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B2473.164981464926767 (code B ref 2473); Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 2473) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Apr 2022 01:50:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50842 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1neS9h-0006xf-JE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:50:49 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1neS9f-0006xP-4V for 2473@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:50:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0OQ2bEGpEAhDxCJkNWrQ3hBoAToO52z7g2GiCcCPvxI=; b=XAtjGhxKeLKOdKL1BL+r3BSq8G 8eQV34f6nwZLF06+CYTfS4hUX/KA4ZBNVip6Wdo5Pzt14J8w8huFqCiJUM09f1i2wazWvgElymM76 8mmXmYan7zCjVh6JJZSGFuY4wo1itcTI5GQwTHjZ0mvgZjwyJ9DpnRYMlsCylqEUNQYY=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1neS9V-0006Xj-0V; Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:50:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:15:28 -0500") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:229794 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > OTOH, I agree that many of the above modes shouldn't be there. > More specifically, I think that the above list should only list > buffer-specific information, i.e. only minor modes which are > buffer-local. > > The global minor modes could still be present in the *Help* buffer, but > then only at the very end, after the major mode and after the > buffer-local minor modes. I've now done something along these lines in Emacs 29. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no