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[173.56.234.28]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 17-20020ac85651000000b0035ba48c032asm464787qtt.25.2022.09.09.08.04.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Sep 2022 08:04:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <838rmsd4cc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 09 Sep 2022 17:12:19 +0300") X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Sep 2022 11:13:16 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:241988 Archived-At: > This has NIH written all over it. You mean GNU Emacs suffers from NIH, or Commercial Emacs? The Commercial Emacs long lines fix *preceded* GNU's by about six months (and I might add, did so without resorting to the blunt instrument of narrowing). The proposer of the GNU Emacs fix even paraphrased Commercial Emacs when he said: Perfect is the enemy of good. Emacs users have been plagued for decades by this bug.[1] See [2],[3] from where his words might have found inspiration. To be clear, I'm not aggrieved. I just want everyone to understand that NIH is too unmeditated an accusation. [1] https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?msg=119;bug=56393 [2] https://youtu.be/5C3wB3xiMmU?t=80 [3] https://youtu.be/5C3wB3xiMmU?t=290