From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 14:01:58 +0000 Message-ID: <878rjfs6g9.fsf__21443.0155277782$1670681029$gmane$org@localhost> References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38895"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: David Masterson , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 10 15:03:40 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p40S4-0009ub-Gw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:03:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p40RU-0008TO-Jk; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:03:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p40RS-0008Sb-VP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:03:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p40RS-0001ce-Kl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:03:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p40RS-0007QJ-FU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:03:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 14:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59882 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59882-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59882.167068093328501 (code B ref 59882); Sat, 10 Dec 2022 14:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59882) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2022 14:02:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42924 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p40Qe-0007Pd-R7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:02:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:42063) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p40Qa-0007PX-I9 for 59882@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:02:11 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01888240028 for <59882@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:02:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1670680923; bh=iE/loLF1nT7uop82WEck0qakh6QAgKhg5wgIM+X47F4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=cRB2j6bH6W9BH1PK2Thp0mqcYm4l5y2IfklxTx2vQZgq+kJRTpzh1VvhrbqqROxMQ AsWrU0QkjSzuf1yabt8ipiXhNs2QmJb5DerfHHA0dSK8RPvYDsrgA9c4a4mDGVmIjL CwbXaDBrZnskapl1X9RCPdiLkO1v7E2gZSflzjpcjwV+3SXuAzA/Sxkl+GGU7q3KHc bQx5RYVyRl3RhuYutaNlz0KGXpx5F1NYDrmvVlBRvNmCjarwLvZ9MlzqBHWJCfUDnV 9ZsH3NctxlgbfC649TGusINdMm15P3ZMEoyXLZ7uo3BJT8Icf8++XkPw5InbhMCQWv buaChdlXdtdhQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NTqMF6dqnz9rxS; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:01:59 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:250520 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> In my testing, I found a strange case where, in *scratch*, I get: >> >> (message "%s" org-version) >> ;; Error undefined >> ;; Do 'C-h v org-version' >> (message "%s" org-version) >> 9.3 >> >> So, 'describe-variable' on org-version causes Org to be loaded?!? > > Why is it so surprising? Is this the first time you see that a Help > command loads something to do its job? Please note that David's recipe is _not_ what I described in the bug report. I am referring to the problem people run into when using M-x package-install. AFAIU, package-install must not depend on the older version of a package being loaded/not loaded. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at