bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[epg]

II
I'm going to have a hard time reproducing this one.  I'm not
giving up, but I'm also reporting early in case someone can
figure it out before I can track it down.

GNUS is configured like so:

#+begin_src elisp
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")
      gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '(
        (nnimap "imap.fastmail.com"
                (nnimap-stream ssl)
                (nnimap-record-commands t)
                )
        )
      )
#+end_src

What happened:

1. Reading some mail; Summary and Article buffer open
2. Walk away for a while; laptop falls asleep
3. Wake it up and press 'q' to return to the *Group* buffer

Note that I've always left GNUS hanging like this, and probably
with laptops going to sleep for at least 20 years.  I think this
is a new post-29.x regression.

If anyone has any suggestions on how I can reproduce it more
quickly, that would be great :).

Thanks!

Expected results:
Back at the *Group* buffer.

Actual results:
Still in the Summary buffer, with this error shown for every time
I type 'q':

nnimap-send-command: Buffer  *nnimap imap.fastmail.com nil  *nntpd** has no process

Unfortunately I didn't think to check the debug log buffer until
after I pressed 'q' a lot of times and finally guessed that maybe
'n' to fetch another message might wake things back up (it did).
But here's what I found when I finally looked:

#+begin_example
19:39:31 [imap.fastmail.com] 610 UID FETCH 40517 BODY.PEEK[]
19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 611 NOOP
19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 612 NOOP
21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 613 NOOP
21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 614 NOOP
21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 615 SELECT "INBOX"
21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 616 EXPUNGE
21:10:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 617 EXPUNGE
21:11:25 [imap.fastmail.com] 618 EXPUNGE
21:11:34 [imap.fastmail.com] 619 EXPUNGE
21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] (inhibited)
21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 621 CAPABILITY
21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 622 ENABLE QRESYNC
21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 623 SELECT "INBOX"
21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 624 SELECT "INBOX"
21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 625 UID FETCH 40380 BODY.PEEK[]
21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 626 SELECT "INBOX"
21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 627 UID STORE 40380 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen)
21:14:38 [imap.fastmail.com] 628 EXPUNGE
#+end_example





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Eric Gillespie  <*>  epg@pretzelnet.org

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: epg@pretzelnet.org
> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 21:33:01 -0500
> 
> I'm going to have a hard time reproducing this one.  I'm not
> giving up, but I'm also reporting early in case someone can
> figure it out before I can track it down.
> 
> GNUS is configured like so:
> 
> #+begin_src elisp
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")
>       gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       '(
>         (nnimap "imap.fastmail.com"
>                 (nnimap-stream ssl)
>                 (nnimap-record-commands t)
>                 )
>         )
>       )
> #+end_src
> 
> What happened:
> 
> 1. Reading some mail; Summary and Article buffer open
> 2. Walk away for a while; laptop falls asleep
> 3. Wake it up and press 'q' to return to the *Group* buffer
> 
> Note that I've always left GNUS hanging like this, and probably
> with laptops going to sleep for at least 20 years.  I think this
> is a new post-29.x regression.
> 
> If anyone has any suggestions on how I can reproduce it more
> quickly, that would be great :).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Expected results:
> Back at the *Group* buffer.
> 
> Actual results:
> Still in the Summary buffer, with this error shown for every time
> I type 'q':
> 
> nnimap-send-command: Buffer  *nnimap imap.fastmail.com nil  *nntpd** has no process
> 
> Unfortunately I didn't think to check the debug log buffer until
> after I pressed 'q' a lot of times and finally guessed that maybe
> 'n' to fetch another message might wake things back up (it did).
> But here's what I found when I finally looked:
> 
> #+begin_example
> 19:39:31 [imap.fastmail.com] 610 UID FETCH 40517 BODY.PEEK[]
> 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 611 NOOP
> 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 612 NOOP
> 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 613 NOOP
> 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 614 NOOP
> 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 615 SELECT "INBOX"
> 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 616 EXPUNGE
> 21:10:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 617 EXPUNGE
> 21:11:25 [imap.fastmail.com] 618 EXPUNGE
> 21:11:34 [imap.fastmail.com] 619 EXPUNGE
> 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] (inhibited)
> 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 621 CAPABILITY
> 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 622 ENABLE QRESYNC
> 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 623 SELECT "INBOX"
> 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 624 SELECT "INBOX"
> 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 625 UID FETCH 40380 BODY.PEEK[]
> 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 626 SELECT "INBOX"
> 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 627 UID STORE 40380 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen)
> 21:14:38 [imap.fastmail.com] 628 EXPUNGE
> #+end_example

Thank you for your report.

Eric, can you please look into this?

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Eli Zaretskii]

Ping! Ping! Eric, can you please look into this?

> Cc: 71965@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 09:38:22 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> > From: epg@pretzelnet.org
> > Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 21:33:01 -0500
> > 
> > I'm going to have a hard time reproducing this one.  I'm not
> > giving up, but I'm also reporting early in case someone can
> > figure it out before I can track it down.
> > 
> > GNUS is configured like so:
> > 
> > #+begin_src elisp
> > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")
> >       gnus-secondary-select-methods
> >       '(
> >         (nnimap "imap.fastmail.com"
> >                 (nnimap-stream ssl)
> >                 (nnimap-record-commands t)
> >                 )
> >         )
> >       )
> > #+end_src
> > 
> > What happened:
> > 
> > 1. Reading some mail; Summary and Article buffer open
> > 2. Walk away for a while; laptop falls asleep
> > 3. Wake it up and press 'q' to return to the *Group* buffer
> > 
> > Note that I've always left GNUS hanging like this, and probably
> > with laptops going to sleep for at least 20 years.  I think this
> > is a new post-29.x regression.
> > 
> > If anyone has any suggestions on how I can reproduce it more
> > quickly, that would be great :).
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Expected results:
> > Back at the *Group* buffer.
> > 
> > Actual results:
> > Still in the Summary buffer, with this error shown for every time
> > I type 'q':
> > 
> > nnimap-send-command: Buffer  *nnimap imap.fastmail.com nil  *nntpd** has no process
> > 
> > Unfortunately I didn't think to check the debug log buffer until
> > after I pressed 'q' a lot of times and finally guessed that maybe
> > 'n' to fetch another message might wake things back up (it did).
> > But here's what I found when I finally looked:
> > 
> > #+begin_example
> > 19:39:31 [imap.fastmail.com] 610 UID FETCH 40517 BODY.PEEK[]
> > 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 611 NOOP
> > 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 612 NOOP
> > 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 613 NOOP
> > 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 614 NOOP
> > 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 615 SELECT "INBOX"
> > 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 616 EXPUNGE
> > 21:10:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 617 EXPUNGE
> > 21:11:25 [imap.fastmail.com] 618 EXPUNGE
> > 21:11:34 [imap.fastmail.com] 619 EXPUNGE
> > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] (inhibited)
> > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 621 CAPABILITY
> > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 622 ENABLE QRESYNC
> > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 623 SELECT "INBOX"
> > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 624 SELECT "INBOX"
> > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 625 UID FETCH 40380 BODY.PEEK[]
> > 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 626 SELECT "INBOX"
> > 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 627 UID STORE 40380 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen)
> > 21:14:38 [imap.fastmail.com] 628 EXPUNGE
> > #+end_example
> 
> Thank you for your report.
> 
> Eric, can you please look into this?
> 
> 
> 
> 

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Eli Zaretskii]

Ping! Ping! Ping! Eric, can we please make some progress here?

> Cc: 71965@debbugs.gnu.org, epg@pretzelnet.org
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:44:13 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> Ping! Ping! Eric, can you please look into this?
> 
> > Cc: 71965@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 09:38:22 +0300
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> > 
> > > From: epg@pretzelnet.org
> > > Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 21:33:01 -0500
> > > 
> > > I'm going to have a hard time reproducing this one.  I'm not
> > > giving up, but I'm also reporting early in case someone can
> > > figure it out before I can track it down.
> > > 
> > > GNUS is configured like so:
> > > 
> > > #+begin_src elisp
> > > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")
> > >       gnus-secondary-select-methods
> > >       '(
> > >         (nnimap "imap.fastmail.com"
> > >                 (nnimap-stream ssl)
> > >                 (nnimap-record-commands t)
> > >                 )
> > >         )
> > >       )
> > > #+end_src
> > > 
> > > What happened:
> > > 
> > > 1. Reading some mail; Summary and Article buffer open
> > > 2. Walk away for a while; laptop falls asleep
> > > 3. Wake it up and press 'q' to return to the *Group* buffer
> > > 
> > > Note that I've always left GNUS hanging like this, and probably
> > > with laptops going to sleep for at least 20 years.  I think this
> > > is a new post-29.x regression.
> > > 
> > > If anyone has any suggestions on how I can reproduce it more
> > > quickly, that would be great :).
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Expected results:
> > > Back at the *Group* buffer.
> > > 
> > > Actual results:
> > > Still in the Summary buffer, with this error shown for every time
> > > I type 'q':
> > > 
> > > nnimap-send-command: Buffer  *nnimap imap.fastmail.com nil  *nntpd** has no process
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately I didn't think to check the debug log buffer until
> > > after I pressed 'q' a lot of times and finally guessed that maybe
> > > 'n' to fetch another message might wake things back up (it did).
> > > But here's what I found when I finally looked:
> > > 
> > > #+begin_example
> > > 19:39:31 [imap.fastmail.com] 610 UID FETCH 40517 BODY.PEEK[]
> > > 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 611 NOOP
> > > 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 612 NOOP
> > > 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 613 NOOP
> > > 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 614 NOOP
> > > 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 615 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 616 EXPUNGE
> > > 21:10:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 617 EXPUNGE
> > > 21:11:25 [imap.fastmail.com] 618 EXPUNGE
> > > 21:11:34 [imap.fastmail.com] 619 EXPUNGE
> > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] (inhibited)
> > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 621 CAPABILITY
> > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 622 ENABLE QRESYNC
> > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 623 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 624 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 625 UID FETCH 40380 BODY.PEEK[]
> > > 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 626 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 627 UID STORE 40380 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen)
> > > 21:14:38 [imap.fastmail.com] 628 EXPUNGE
> > > #+end_example
> > 
> > Thank you for your report.
> > 
> > Eric, can you please look into this?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Eli Zaretskii]

Ping! Ping! Ping! Ping!  Eric, are you there?

> Cc: 71965@debbugs.gnu.org, epg@pretzelnet.org
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:53:16 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> Ping! Ping! Ping! Eric, can we please make some progress here?
> 
> > Cc: 71965@debbugs.gnu.org, epg@pretzelnet.org
> > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:44:13 +0300
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> > 
> > Ping! Ping! Eric, can you please look into this?
> > 
> > > Cc: 71965@debbugs.gnu.org
> > > Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 09:38:22 +0300
> > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> > > 
> > > > From: epg@pretzelnet.org
> > > > Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 21:33:01 -0500
> > > > 
> > > > I'm going to have a hard time reproducing this one.  I'm not
> > > > giving up, but I'm also reporting early in case someone can
> > > > figure it out before I can track it down.
> > > > 
> > > > GNUS is configured like so:
> > > > 
> > > > #+begin_src elisp
> > > > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")
> > > >       gnus-secondary-select-methods
> > > >       '(
> > > >         (nnimap "imap.fastmail.com"
> > > >                 (nnimap-stream ssl)
> > > >                 (nnimap-record-commands t)
> > > >                 )
> > > >         )
> > > >       )
> > > > #+end_src
> > > > 
> > > > What happened:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Reading some mail; Summary and Article buffer open
> > > > 2. Walk away for a while; laptop falls asleep
> > > > 3. Wake it up and press 'q' to return to the *Group* buffer
> > > > 
> > > > Note that I've always left GNUS hanging like this, and probably
> > > > with laptops going to sleep for at least 20 years.  I think this
> > > > is a new post-29.x regression.
> > > > 
> > > > If anyone has any suggestions on how I can reproduce it more
> > > > quickly, that would be great :).
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > Expected results:
> > > > Back at the *Group* buffer.
> > > > 
> > > > Actual results:
> > > > Still in the Summary buffer, with this error shown for every time
> > > > I type 'q':
> > > > 
> > > > nnimap-send-command: Buffer  *nnimap imap.fastmail.com nil  *nntpd** has no process
> > > > 
> > > > Unfortunately I didn't think to check the debug log buffer until
> > > > after I pressed 'q' a lot of times and finally guessed that maybe
> > > > 'n' to fetch another message might wake things back up (it did).
> > > > But here's what I found when I finally looked:
> > > > 
> > > > #+begin_example
> > > > 19:39:31 [imap.fastmail.com] 610 UID FETCH 40517 BODY.PEEK[]
> > > > 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 611 NOOP
> > > > 19:55:57 [imap.fastmail.com] 612 NOOP
> > > > 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 613 NOOP
> > > > 21:10:18 [imap.fastmail.com] 614 NOOP
> > > > 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 615 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > > 21:10:26 [imap.fastmail.com] 616 EXPUNGE
> > > > 21:10:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 617 EXPUNGE
> > > > 21:11:25 [imap.fastmail.com] 618 EXPUNGE
> > > > 21:11:34 [imap.fastmail.com] 619 EXPUNGE
> > > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] (inhibited)
> > > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 621 CAPABILITY
> > > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 622 ENABLE QRESYNC
> > > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 623 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 624 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > > 21:14:35 [imap.fastmail.com] 625 UID FETCH 40380 BODY.PEEK[]
> > > > 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 626 SELECT "INBOX"
> > > > 21:14:37 [imap.fastmail.com] 627 UID STORE 40380 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen)
> > > > 21:14:38 [imap.fastmail.com] 628 EXPUNGE
> > > > #+end_example
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your report.
> > > 
> > > Eric, can you please look into this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[epg]

I have never reproduced it.  Maybe it was a freak,
less-than-once-a-decade occurrence.

Thanks!

-- 
Eric Gillespie  <*>  epg@pretzelnet.org

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: epg@pretzelnet.org
> Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net,  71965@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:38:04 -0500
> 
> I have never reproduced it.  Maybe it was a freak,
> less-than-once-a-decade occurrence.

Are you saying we should close this?

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[epg]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Are you saying we should close this?

I think closing it makes sense.

I can't reproduce it, and no other reports seem to have come in.

Clearly there was a bug, but if it's triggered this rarely,
there's probably nothing to do.

Thanks!

-- 
Eric Gillespie  <*>  epg@pretzelnet.org

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Stefan Kangas]

epg@pretzelnet.org writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Are you saying we should close this?
>
> I think closing it makes sense.
>
> I can't reproduce it, and no other reports seem to have come in.
>
> Clearly there was a bug, but if it's triggered this rarely,
> there's probably nothing to do.
>
> Thanks!

Thanks, I'm therefore closing this bug report.

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Gijs Hillenius]

Hi,

A little late, as the bug was closed.

I think this bug also applies to my set-up. My Gnus has these time-outs,
all the time, and, I agree with Eric it started with Emacs 29 (Debian).

I can perhaps contribute logs, if needed.

bug#71965: 30.0.60; '*nntpd** has no process' after left idle for a long time

[Stephen Berman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 09:37:11 +0200 Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A little late, as the bug was closed.
>
> I think this bug also applies to my set-up. My Gnus has these time-outs,
> all the time, and, I agree with Eric it started with Emacs 29 (Debian).

Possibly bug#52735 (which I continue to experience) is also related.

Steve Berman