From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: helpful messages whensoever one hits a wrong key Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:23:31 +0900 Message-ID: <877j3qrmsc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1149917452 4802 80.91.229.2 (10 Jun 2006 05:30:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 10 07:30:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fow3H-0002YQ-KC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:30:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fow3H-00060r-2x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FopOD-0000eB-4O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:23:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FopOB-0000dn-WD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:23:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FopOB-0000dk-Q8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:23:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.216.5.72] (helo=smtp02.dentaku.gol.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FopWJ-0002Sn-Az; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:31:59 -0400 Original-Received: from 203-216-98-193.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.98.193] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1FopO8-0007HR-62; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:23:32 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B392C2F56; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:23:31 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Kevin Rodgers System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Kevin Rodgers's message of "Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:45:16 -0600") Original-Lines: 15 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:30:19 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:15143 Archived-At: Kevin Rodgers writes: > That would suck. > > BTW, an unbound key signals a "KEY is undefined" error. I think you > are talking about keys bound to self-insert-command. I dunno, maybe showing a huge help message immediately would suck, but the general idea of having a buffer/region-specific alternative error message for trying to modify read-only text would be a good thing -- I think there are many cases where the current error _is_ confusing, especially to those without much Emacs experience. -Miles -- I'd rather be consing.