From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vitalie Spinu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:37:33 +0100 Organization: EUR Message-ID: <877gpg1gsy.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87obisa1ja.fsf@gmail.com> <50AB918C.6060109@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353422286 18901 80.91.229.3 (20 Nov 2012 14:38:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12943@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 20 15:38:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Taoxq-0004zN-Hq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:38:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48070 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Taoxf-0004w7-Vx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:38:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoxZ-0004uv-Pa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:38:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoxV-0006IJ-BB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:37:57 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoxV-0006IC-7T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:37:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Taoyb-0001zK-S2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:39:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Vitalie Spinu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12943.13534223327626 (code B ref 12943); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:39:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2012 14:38:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56546 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoyQ-0001yw-TR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:38:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ea0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]:61023) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoyN-0001yo-8Q for 12943@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:38:48 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ea0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a1so1822121eaa.3 for <12943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 06:37:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cN0i/w2psrh+zysoTrA+f+PT/xcRtQ0n3AI0vNM+tYQ=; b=upYKe5/CpwRPfDRn45DsYQl2odxGFexQHiEfEk/BYxyUSGGuXPYV7usUlVRNwUXxbg qCNPXMLPPBBC9cTVCL2EG3fRFNo/sJd6LDqfjk6CA1w0mcN5gjeRNZqYh3JheF4NehMX HcNWPzbjw+OcWA9h5wA3o6HC5T0B84lpSF9UaEQc7fHyeexCzUE0PX8Yoc1dBQ773I6w TOIznIp+c2CijzTX7pBK6GRoMcRivKYPw9xkVKHJfx0ueFbtp98gB0Oq0eW+9hOVWHqm umSenleyRRWLAJiU9QCsulLaKS5LNiZvWG0JVGWj1DVWQ+FU4f8DFoGXwT+o9q2Pl7j/ Wfpw== Original-Received: by 10.14.209.6 with SMTP id r6mr34770712eeo.34.1353422256930; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 06:37:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (i108036.upc-i.chello.nl. [62.195.108.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e1sm30906078eem.3.2012.11.20.06.37.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 06:37:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50AB918C.6060109@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:19:56 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67205 Archived-At: >> martin rudalics >> on Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:19:56 +0100 wrote: >> If I have only one window in a frame. C-h v ... RET opens a help buffer, but >> does not switch to it. Same with 2 windows in a frame. >> >> If I have a 3-window-split, C-h v ... RET pops to the help buffer. This >> is a bit annoying and might be indicative of some more severe underlying >> problem. >> >> I hope this is not an intended behavior. > See bug#11039. Hm, the default 'other of help-window-select is inconsistent and aims a very specific user pattern. From http://debbugs.gnu.org/db/11/11039.html: martin rudalics gmx.at> writes: > When the help window is one out of three windows on a frame and you do > _not_ select it, it's quite difficult to restore the state of the frame > before showing help. You would have to (1) manually switch to the help > window, (2) type "q" in it, and maybe (3) switch back to the previously > selected window. If, however, you _do_ select the help window, you can > simply type "q" in it and get back the old state of affairs. I might want to keep the help window open for long and keep working on my code while referencing the help. This is my 99% usage pattern. Now, when I open the help buffer I have to switch back to my working window all the way back through 3 other windows. Awful. Vitalie