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[66.46.90.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c134sm1706814ioe.40.2016.05.04.09.26.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 May 2016 09:26:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 17:50:10 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117766 Archived-At: Hi Eli, At 17:50 +0300 on Wednesday 2016-05-04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> If there is to be no fix, is a NEWS item warranted? > > It's already there, no? No, it is not. (Looking at the emacs-25 branch as of a few minutes ago, commit f559b374a30f3615261f7a902fc3428cac6289f4). The only entries under Gnus and under Message Mode are about images. And there is nothing relevant under incompatible changes. The issue is that with the change to the behaviour of `system-name', a random side effect is that users who's email configurations have worked properly for years may now have inappropriate (possibly very inappropriate) strings embedded in their mail headers unbeknownst to them. I'm not familiar enough with Message nor with NEWS to know how this should be worded, but for me something like the following under Gnus and Message would have told me what I needed to know. (Provided that it is a) correct, and b) this is the best way of doing things.) Users relying on `system-name' to return a stable and fully-qualified domain name for the setting of Message-ID are advised that it may no longer do so reliably. It is suggested that they set the variable `message-user-fqdn' explicitly. See the node "News Headers" in the Message manual (`M-: (info "(message) News Headers")') for more details. > See bug #19438. Thank you for pointing me to that. I don't think I have an opinion on that. But the fact remains that this change to `system-name' has had a surprising impact on the return value from `message-make-fqdn'. N.