From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3540: Please reserve a ctrl-key combination for interoperability Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:37:50 +0100 Message-ID: <877e3qkvu9.fsf@marxist.se> References: <1244771200l.4854l.2l@mofo> <87y2xye4nz.fsf@mbork.pl> <0d884621-5d6e-47c6-8a0e-d70d4c09f15e@default> <87tv8lek8p.fsf@mbork.pl> <014ff1d6-9e7e-4bdf-88ed-eefc9133353d@default> <8736g1epls.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="164212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Karl O. Pinc" , 3540@debbugs.gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 24 00:39:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYezg-000gaT-Ap for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:39:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33204 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYezf-0006YG-0m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:39:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38079) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYezY-0006Xy-J2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:39:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYezX-0005bQ-HL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49151) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYezX-0005bK-AW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:39:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iYezX-000853-3z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:39:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 23:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 3540 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 3540-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3540.157455229630986 (code B ref 3540); Sat, 23 Nov 2019 23:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3540) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2019 23:38:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57970 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeyf-00083c-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:38:12 -0500 Original-Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:39450) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeya-00082x-G3; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:38:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qB+DUG+MmCfMUI/oXuw4bkNM17cZKCWsc3K5r7Ff2t0=; b=QzzSviwDMQ7vC29thabzKSKLgK 0XuSNS1bFPenKTCEi6OPMiuAZ+ek2NJvlxZkc33gimZ0uC58zsDL9ZQBGf8/SUPW84oouxMyHh0/L jftCXZ/duK2vcFw+TLnhpWKpgeECYYErDqkhp6dUH1K3qTkoWF/5Wj1Wgtdg84wD+Oktboo+eJlEF Ap9rPbtmnFnXpf73Rm0aVp/yWFJYda3VNV+rVBAjTXemG0i+hSy4BJMQDkQGu4hKYT8aUtXNm1aee nL+S7Zu/dQwE+42HdxFPNkqEEmTwJRDQx7DQt6zKAIuC+kDotin2T4PPI3H5SRJEOdsGDrL1LwPyj DP+WolkA==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:50648 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeyO-001fo8-OO; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:37:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:04:10 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:172355 Archived-At: tags 3540 + notabug wontfix close 3540 thanks Stefan Kangas writes: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> Psychologically, many people hesitate to rebind default keys for various >> reasons. While it is unreasonable for the manual to suggest binding >> particular keys to particular commands, I would find it very reasonable >> to encourage users to customize Emacs, including rebinding keys - also >> the defaults. > > To my mind, the manual already covers what you discuss above. The > "Intro" section says: > > =E2=80=9CCustomizable=E2=80=9D means that you can easily alter the beh= avior of Emacs > commands in simple ways. For instance, if you use a programming > language in which comments start with =E2=80=98<**=E2=80=99 and end with = =E2=80=98**>=E2=80=99, you can > tell the Emacs comment manipulation commands to use those strings (*note > Comments::). To take another example, you can rebind the basic cursor > motion commands (up, down, left and right) to any keys on the keyboard > that you find comfortable. *Note Customization::. No further comments within 5 weeks, and it doesn't seem like there's anything to do here. I'm therefore closing this bug. If anyone disagrees with that, feel free to reopen the bug report, or just reply back to state your opinion. If anyone does that, may I suggest to then also include a suggestion for what to do. Best regards, Stefan Kangas