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From: "J.P." <jp@neverwas.me>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: 51753@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-erc@gnu.org, Amin Bandali <bandali@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#51753: ERC switches to channel buffer on reconnect
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 19:14:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877ddfgz8q.fsf__46160.5365084083$1636600524$gmane$org@neverwas.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmkUm012pjgmoaUgnQ2AT+f0SKVvo0UA5XjUYrU=xVTKeQ@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:09:24 -0800")

Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> Severity: important
>
> When ERC reconnects, it switches buffer to the channel buffers.  This is
> *very* dangerous.

Hi Stefan. Any idea if this is a recent phenomenon or more along the
lines of traditional behavior, perhaps involving `erc-join-buffer', for
example? I ask this mostly out of self interest re

  commit 17e7cab1507a185d2c493548494abcad6a55d159
  Normalize usage of variable erc-server-reconnecting

and its followup

  commit ec9ddd6eaf3f1b118d3ce95a69e1d046166362d3
  Deprecate instead of redefine erc-server-reconnecting

(both recent and both mine).

Regardless, there's a solid chance what you're experiencing is
`erc-setup-buffer' related, which comes into play whenever `erc-open'
runs. For reconnects, this happens both during `erc-server-reconnect'
and again whenever `erc-server-JOIN' runs (for channels you join).

It'd also be nice to know how these JOIN replies are being triggered
(server-initiated, erc-join.el, manual /join, etc.). With the join
module, they'd likely be the result of a JOIN command (request) sent by
`erc-autojoin-channels', which runs on 376/422. This matters when trying
to pinpoint problematic interplay with the reconnect logic, if such a
thing exists.

> Consider the situation when the user is about to paste a password and
> hit enter with a quick "C-y RET", when all of a sudden the ERC buffer
> pops up a fraction of a second before you hit those keys.  Now your
> password is on IRC.
>
> At the very least, this behavior should be disabled by default, and
> preferably also come with a big warning sign for anyone that intends to
> enable it.

I don't think many would argue that this behavior isn't at least
annoying. While specific scenarios (like accidentally broadcasting creds
to a channel) are important to confront, we should also remember to take
in the long view whenever possible (IMO). And in doing so, I think we'll
find that the many downsides of interfacing with a services bot have
over time compelled the IRC world to embrace SASL (part of the IRCv3
initiative) as the preferred means of authentication. Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-11  3:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-10 15:09 bug#51753: ERC switches to channel buffer on reconnect Stefan Kangas
2021-11-11  3:14 ` J.P. [this message]
2021-11-11  3:29   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]   ` <87bl2re5eg.fsf@gnus.org>
2021-11-11  5:13     ` J.P.
     [not found]     ` <87lf1ve0m4.fsf@neverwas.me>
2021-11-11  5:22       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]       ` <877ddf9sht.fsf@gnus.org>
2021-11-19 10:36         ` J.P.
     [not found]         ` <87czmwjutj.fsf@neverwas.me>
2021-11-19 11:45           ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]           ` <CADwFkm=_RaiRkwte+JPRvuM4fntevprWr-qjaBaG6D+Gud_UoQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-11-19 13:13             ` J.P.
2021-11-20  7:21             ` J.P.
     [not found]             ` <87ilwnnvfs.fsf@neverwas.me>
2021-11-20  9:09               ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]               ` <CADwFkmnL1ugFn4VYi--5ygJnYu4RmES6VGjku6j92fy+8B6yeA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-11-21 22:54                 ` J.P.
     [not found]                 ` <87sfvp5dd5.fsf@neverwas.me>
2021-12-02 19:43                   ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]                   ` <CADwFkmmqNW-CyrxUU1-TiqEvUhwYe=zzVOO_q2iEAHmQYorudw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-12-03  5:31                     ` J.P.
2023-04-14 14:11 ` bug#51753: bug#55540: 29.0.50; ERC launches autojoin-channels in current frame instead of original frame J.P.
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-05-20 13:06 Pankaj Jangid
2022-05-23  1:56 ` bug#51753: ERC switches to channel buffer on reconnect J.P.
     [not found] ` <87a6b92ers.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-05-23  2:50   ` Pankaj Jangid
2022-05-23  7:48     ` J.P.

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