bug#74857: 30.0.92; Gnus nnatom: url protocol

bug#74857: 30.0.92; Gnus nnatom: url protocol

[Christopher Howard]

Hi. When setting up a new feed group with nnatom in Gnus, there is a little oddity: If I pass in the URL to the feed without the protocol specifier, i.e., without the "https://" it works fine. But if I try to include the protocol specifier, then I get a message: "Couldn’t request list: nil", and the group is not added. It doesn't trigger the debugger, even though "debug-on-error" is set t.

So, I frequently have to delete the "https://" part when I am copying and pasting from some link for an atom feed. This is a bother.

I don't know if this can be reproduced without Gnus already being setup, but an example process is:

(1) bring up Gnus group buffer
(2) run gnus-group-browse-foreign-server (B)
(3) nnatom <RET>
(4) https://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs/feed/atom/ <RET>


In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (build 3, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-12-04 built on theoden
Repository revision: 130c2a13dc72fca1677a986d3131398e908e58df
Repository branch: emacs-30
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101012
System Description: Guix System

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/home/christopher/local/emacs 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3'
 PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/gnu/store/f335yc4x4ps0qalm4hafy0dggsfczfkj-profile/lib/pkgconfig:/gnu/store/f335yc4x4ps0qalm4hafy0dggsfczfkj-profile/share/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/lib/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/share/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-profile/lib/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-profile/share/pkgconfig'

Configured features:
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LCMS2 LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP
SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM
GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
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  value of $EMACSNATIVELOADPATH: /home/christopher/local/emacs/share/emacs/30.0.92/lisp:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/lib/emacs/native-site-lisp
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Major mode: Org

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  mouse-wheel-mode: t
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  minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
  column-number-mode: t
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  transient-mark-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
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bug#74857: 30.0.92; Gnus nnatom: url protocol

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:13:02 -0900
> 
> 
> 
> Hi. When setting up a new feed group with nnatom in Gnus, there is a little oddity: If I pass in the URL to the feed without the protocol specifier, i.e., without the "https://" it works fine. But if I try to include the protocol specifier, then I get a message: "Couldn’t request list: nil", and the group is not added. It doesn't trigger the debugger, even though "debug-on-error" is set t.
> 
> So, I frequently have to delete the "https://" part when I am copying and pasting from some link for an atom feed. This is a bother.
> 
> I don't know if this can be reproduced without Gnus already being setup, but an example process is:
> 
> (1) bring up Gnus group buffer
> (2) run gnus-group-browse-foreign-server (B)
> (3) nnatom <RET>
> (4) https://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs/feed/atom/ <RET>

Daniel, any comments or suggestions?

bug#74857: 30.0.92; Gnus nnatom: url protocol

[Daniel Semyonov via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

>>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes:

    >> From: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
    >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:13:02 -0900
    >> 
    >> 
    >> 
    >> Hi. When setting up a new feed group with nnatom in Gnus, there is a
    >> little oddity: If I pass in the URL to the feed without the protocol
    >> specifier, i.e., without the "https://" it works fine. But if I try
    >> to include the protocol specifier, then I get a message: "Couldn’t
    >> request list: nil", and the group is not added. It doesn't trigger
    >> the debugger, even though "debug-on-error" is set t.
    >> 
    >> So, I frequently have to delete the "https://" part when I am copying and pasting from some link for an atom feed. This is a bother.
    >> 
    >> I don't know if this can be reproduced without Gnus already being setup, but an example process is:
    >> 
    >> (1) bring up Gnus group buffer
    >> (2) run gnus-group-browse-foreign-server (B)
    >> (3) nnatom <RET>
    >> (4) https://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs/feed/atom/ <RET>

    > Daniel, any comments or suggestions?

This is a known issue (also noted in the manual), though the message
returned should be more descriptive.

The returned message is emitted by Gnus when it fails to get info for
the server from the backend, and should use the value of
'backend-status-string' ('nnatom-status-string' in this case); this
works on a normal session on my end (returning a message set in
'nnatom--read-feed'), but fails with emacs -Q, also returning "Couldn't
request list: nil".
I half suspect this is a bug with Gnus trying to read the status string
of the wrong server (and not a bug in nnatom), but I'll look into it.

As for why it isn't allowed in the first place, Gnus unfortunately
breaks when ":" is used in server addresses due to regular expressions
used in various internal functions, though I don't remember the details.

Daniel

bug#74857: 30.0.92; Gnus nnatom: url protocol

[Stefan Kangas]

Daniel Semyonov via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> This is a known issue (also noted in the manual), though the message
> returned should be more descriptive.
>
> The returned message is emitted by Gnus when it fails to get info for
> the server from the backend, and should use the value of
> 'backend-status-string' ('nnatom-status-string' in this case); this
> works on a normal session on my end (returning a message set in
> 'nnatom--read-feed'), but fails with emacs -Q, also returning "Couldn't
> request list: nil".
> I half suspect this is a bug with Gnus trying to read the status string
> of the wrong server (and not a bug in nnatom), but I'll look into it.
>
> As for why it isn't allowed in the first place, Gnus unfortunately
> breaks when ":" is used in server addresses due to regular expressions
> used in various internal functions, though I don't remember the details.

Does nnatom use http or https by default in these situations?

bug#74857: 30.0.92; Gnus nnatom: url protocol

[Daniel Semyonov via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

>>>>> Stefan Kangas writes:

    > Daniel Semyonov via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
    > text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

    >> This is a known issue (also noted in the manual), though the message
    >> returned should be more descriptive.
    >> 
    >> The returned message is emitted by Gnus when it fails to get info for
    >> the server from the backend, and should use the value of
    >> 'backend-status-string' ('nnatom-status-string' in this case); this
    >> works on a normal session on my end (returning a message set in
    >> 'nnatom--read-feed'), but fails with emacs -Q, also returning "Couldn't
    >> request list: nil".
    >> I half suspect this is a bug with Gnus trying to read the status string
    >> of the wrong server (and not a bug in nnatom), but I'll look into it.
    >> 
    >> As for why it isn't allowed in the first place, Gnus unfortunately
    >> breaks when ":" is used in server addresses due to regular expressions
    >> used in various internal functions, though I don't remember the details.

    > Does nnatom use http or https by default in these situations?

nnatom always uses https, feeds available only over http are not
supported at all currently (unless they are downloaded separately, and
added to nnatom as a file instead of a URL).
This is something I wanted to address at some point but honestly forgot
about it, though I'm not sure how important it is TBH; adding a server
variable controlling this would be fairly easy to do, I think.

In any case I still haven't had time to look into the issue with the
wrong returned message, I'll look into both issues in a few days
(hopefully).

Daniel