* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
@ 2018-10-20 20:59 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2018-10-21 2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-20 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 33109
In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save"
button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them
upon exit.
Only if they read (info "(emacs) Saving Customizations") will they learn
of the hidden "Save for Future Sessions" button.
I propose the latter button be placed on the interface right beside the
former button, visible from the start.
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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
2018-10-20 20:59 bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-21 2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-21 2:43 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2018-10-21 2:44 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-21 2:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 33109
> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
> <jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:59:23 +0800
>
> In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save"
> button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them
> upon exit.
In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
Save"? I only see "Apply".
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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
2018-10-21 2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-21 2:43 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2018-10-21 2:44 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-21 2:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109
>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply".
emacs-version "25.2.2"
C-u C-x =
Click on "customize what to show".
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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
2018-10-21 2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-21 2:43 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-21 2:44 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2018-10-21 12:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-21 2:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109
>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply".
Don't start emacs with -Q !
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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
2018-10-21 2:44 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-21 12:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 22:53 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-21 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 33109
> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800
>
> >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
> EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply".
>
> Don't start emacs with -Q !
OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
file--in my init file. It even says so in the echo area. So I think
I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.
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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
2018-10-21 12:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-24 22:53 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2018-10-25 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-24 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109
>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
>> Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800
>>
>> >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply".
>>
>> Don't start emacs with -Q !
EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
EZ> file--in my init file. It even says so in the echo area. So I think
EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.
It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a
.emacs-custom.el . Anyway, then why is the difference between the
"Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button? OK I suppose the
latter would just save and not apply.
(However I have not looked at the code.)
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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
2018-10-24 22:53 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-25 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-25 15:22 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2018-10-25 15:23 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-25 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 33109
> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:53:06 +0800
>
> EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
> EZ> file--in my init file. It even says so in the echo area. So I think
> EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
> EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.
>
> It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a
> .emacs-custom.el .
Why is this detail important? Your original report was that it
doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit"). Do we now agree that
the customization _is_ saved when you press that button? And that
there's no bug here?
> Anyway, then why is the difference between the
> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button?
What "Save for Future Sessions" button? I only see "Save for Future
Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label.
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2018-10-25 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-25 15:22 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2018-10-25 15:23 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
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From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-25 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109-close
>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> Why is this detail important? Your original report was that it
EZ> doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit"). Do we now agree that
EZ> the customization _is_ saved when you press that button? And that
EZ> there's no bug here?
Nothing got saved for me
>> Anyway, then why is the difference between the
>> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button?
EZ> What "Save for Future Sessions" button? I only see "Save for Future
EZ> Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label.
Ah, so there are two different "states" for saving...
OK I'll close this bug. Customization has always been a disaster for me.
Forget it.
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2018-10-25 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-25 15:22 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-25 15:23 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
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From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-25 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 33109-done
Closing.
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