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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
@ 2018-12-02  3:17 Live System User
  2018-12-02  7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Live System User @ 2018-12-02  3:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 33571


Hi,

        After a "git pull" and make of Emacs 26.1.90, I am
        now seeing artifacts in the echo area.

        I have "C-c g" bound to "magit-status".

        After executing "C-c g" I get the results but see in the
        echo area:

             C-c g

        This remains in the echo area until another key is pressed.

        Additionaly, this same behavior occurs in the latest Emacs 27
        which displays:

              C-c g-

        (Note the trailing hyphen "-" in Emacs 27 only.  Let me know
        if this should be reported to Emacs 27 bugtracker  separately).

        Could it be related to the recent changes to keyboard.c?

        Thanks.


In GNU Emacs 26.1.90 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.20.10)
 of 2018-12-01 built on localhost.localdomain
Repository revision: af914fc26db273d8788e7efa57c569f0f778d037
Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.11803000
Recent messages:
354 Ok Send data ending with <CRLF>.<CRLF>
Sending email 
250 OK , completed
Sending email done
221 Service Closing transmission
Sending...done
Discard changes to this group and exit? (y or n) y
D is undefined
Saving file /home/liveuser/.emacs.d/url/cookies...
Wrote /home/liveuser/.emacs.d/url/cookies

Configured using:
 'configure 'CFLAGS=-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O0 -ggdb3 -pipe -Wall
 -Werror=format-security -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong
 --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic'
 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro
 --prefix=/tmp/nff/de2/fedora-emacs-src/emacs-26.1.90 --with-dbus
 --with-gif --with-jpeg --with-png --with-rsvg --with-lcms2 --with-tiff
 --with-xft --with-xpm --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-gpm=yes
 --with-xwidgets --with-modules'

Configured features:
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NOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS XWIDGETS LCMS2

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Group

Minor modes in effect:
  cursor-sensor-mode: t
  gnus-desktop-notify-mode: t
  gnus-undo-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
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  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(mailalias smtpmail pp shadow emacsbug sendmail sort gnus-cite smiley
ansi-color mail-extr gnus-async gnus-bcklg qp gnus-ml disp-table
cursor-sensor nndraft nnmh nndoc mm-archive timezone url-http url-gw
url-cache url-auth url-handlers utf-7 rfc2104 nnfolder cl-extra
help-mode network-stream nsm gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode
nnvirtual gnus-msg gnus-cache gnus-demon nntp gnus-desktop-notify
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url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf
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custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind
inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting
xwidget-internal move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty
make-network-process emacs)

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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-02  3:17 bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area Live System User
@ 2018-12-02  7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-12-02  7:43   ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-12-02  7:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Live System User; +Cc: 33571

> From: Live System User <nyc4bos@aol.com>
> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 22:17:07 -0500
> 
>         After a "git pull" and make of Emacs 26.1.90, I am
>         now seeing artifacts in the echo area.
> 
>         I have "C-c g" bound to "magit-status".
> 
>         After executing "C-c g" I get the results but see in the
>         echo area:
> 
>              C-c g
> 
>         This remains in the echo area until another key is pressed.
> 
>         Additionaly, this same behavior occurs in the latest Emacs 27
>         which displays:
> 
>               C-c g-
> 
>         (Note the trailing hyphen "-" in Emacs 27 only.  Let me know
>         if this should be reported to Emacs 27 bugtracker  separately).

Can you prepare a complete stand-alone recipe for reproducing the
issue, starting from "emacs -Q"?  The recipe can include loading of
magit, if needed, but please start from "emacs -Q", and please don't
include in it anything not directly related to this issue.

>         Could it be related to the recent changes to keyboard.c?

Which ones?

Thanks.





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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-02  7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-12-02  7:43   ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-12-02 17:43     ` Paul Eggert
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-12-02  7:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: nyc4bos, 33571

> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 09:29:56 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: 33571@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > From: Live System User <nyc4bos@aol.com>
> > Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 22:17:07 -0500
> > 
> >         After a "git pull" and make of Emacs 26.1.90, I am
> >         now seeing artifacts in the echo area.
> > 
> >         I have "C-c g" bound to "magit-status".
> > 
> >         After executing "C-c g" I get the results but see in the
> >         echo area:
> > 
> >              C-c g
> > 
> >         This remains in the echo area until another key is pressed.
> > 
> >         Additionaly, this same behavior occurs in the latest Emacs 27
> >         which displays:
> > 
> >               C-c g-
> > 
> >         (Note the trailing hyphen "-" in Emacs 27 only.  Let me know
> >         if this should be reported to Emacs 27 bugtracker  separately).
> 
> Can you prepare a complete stand-alone recipe for reproducing the
> issue, starting from "emacs -Q"?

Forget it, I reproduced this in texinfo-mode.

This is indeed caused by the recent change in keyboard.c.  Paul, could
you please take a look?  (I've reverted the change in the emacs-26
branch for now.)

Thanks.





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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-02  7:43   ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-12-02 17:43     ` Paul Eggert
  2018-12-02 18:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggert @ 2018-12-02 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: nyc4bos, 33571

Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Forget it, I reproduced this in texinfo-mode.
> 
> This is indeed caused by the recent change in keyboard.c.  Paul, could
> you please take a look?

What's the reproducer you used? I tried visiting files in texinfo mode and 
couldn't see any difference in behavior. For example, if I start Emacs this way:

src/emacs -Q doc/lispref/windows.texi

and then type 'C-c /' quickly, it doesn't echo, and if I type slowly it does 
echo, and this is true for me in the emacs-26 branch regardless of whether the 
patch is installed.





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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-02 17:43     ` Paul Eggert
@ 2018-12-02 18:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-12-02 20:56         ` Live System User
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-12-02 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: nyc4bos, 33571

> Cc: nyc4bos@aol.com, 33571@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 09:43:26 -0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Forget it, I reproduced this in texinfo-mode.
> > 
> > This is indeed caused by the recent change in keyboard.c.  Paul, could
> > you please take a look?
> 
> What's the reproducer you used?

Visit a Texinfo file, then type "C-c C-c c".

> I tried visiting files in texinfo mode and 
> couldn't see any difference in behavior. For example, if I start Emacs this way:
> 
> src/emacs -Q doc/lispref/windows.texi
> 
> and then type 'C-c /' quickly, it doesn't echo, and if I type slowly it does 
> echo, and this is true for me in the emacs-26 branch regardless of whether the 
> patch is installed.

Hmm... you are right.  I guess I somehow unconsciously typed quickly
when testing without the patch and slowly with it.

I've reinstated the change on the emacs-26 branch.  Sorry for the
noise.

I guess the bug should be closed as expected behavior, as I see that
all the way back to Emacs 22.1.





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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-02 18:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-12-02 20:56         ` Live System User
  2018-12-02 23:18           ` Paul Eggert
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Live System User @ 2018-12-02 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Paul Eggert, 33571

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Cc: nyc4bos@aol.com, 33571@debbugs.gnu.org
>> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
>> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 09:43:26 -0800
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> > Forget it, I reproduced this in texinfo-mode.
>> > 
>> > This is indeed caused by the recent change in keyboard.c.  Paul, could
>> > you please take a look?
>> 
>> What's the reproducer you used?
>
> Visit a Texinfo file, then type "C-c C-c c".
>
>> I tried visiting files in texinfo mode and 
>> couldn't see any difference in behavior. For example, if I start Emacs this way:
>> 
>> src/emacs -Q doc/lispref/windows.texi
>> 
>> and then type 'C-c /' quickly, it doesn't echo, and if I type slowly it does 
>> echo, and this is true for me in the emacs-26 branch regardless of whether the 
>> patch is installed.
>
> Hmm... you are right.  I guess I somehow unconsciously typed quickly
> when testing without the patch and slowly with it.
>
> I've reinstated the change on the emacs-26 branch.  Sorry for the
> noise.
>
> I guess the bug should be closed as expected behavior, as I see that
> all the way back to Emacs 22.1.

  I am seeing:

       C-g-

  remaining in the echo area (please note trailing hyphen "-") in
  Emacs 27.

  Shpuld I open up a new bug report for Emacs 27 for this or is this
  also considered expected behavior?

  Thanks.






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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-02 20:56         ` Live System User
@ 2018-12-02 23:18           ` Paul Eggert
  2018-12-03  1:16             ` Live System User
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggert @ 2018-12-02 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Live System User, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33571

Live System User wrote:
>    I am seeing:
> 
>         C-g-
> 
>    remaining in the echo area (please note trailing hyphen "-") in
>    Emacs 27.

If I run 'emacs -Q' and type C-g, I see "Quit" in the echo area.

Perhaps you meant "C-c"? If I run 'emacs -Q' and type C-c and wait, I see "C-c-" 
in the echo area (with the trailing hyphen). However, that's normal and the 
behavior of Emacs hasn't changed there in quite some time. The trailing hyphen 
advises the user to type another keystroke in that context.

In the past, Emacs has had problems where the echo area wasn't cleared properly, 
and it sounds like you're seeing a bug in that area. However, I doubt whether 
any such bug is related to my recent changes to keyboard.c in the emacs-26 
branch. As Eli suggested, to debug your problem we'll need a complete 
stand-alone recipe for reproducing your problem, starting from 'emacs -Q'.





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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-02 23:18           ` Paul Eggert
@ 2018-12-03  1:16             ` Live System User
  2018-12-03  5:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Live System User @ 2018-12-03  1:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: 33571

Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> writes:

> Live System User wrote:
>>    I am seeing:
>>
>>         C-g-
>>
>>    remaining in the echo area (please note trailing hyphen "-") in
>>    Emacs 27.
>
> If I run 'emacs -Q' and type C-g, I see "Quit" in the echo area.

  Sorry, I meant to type:

         C-c g-

   which I have bound to "magit-status":

(defadvice magit-status (around magit-fullscreen activate)
  (window-configuration-to-register :magit-fullscreen)
  ad-do-it
  (delete-other-windows))
(global-set-key "\C-c\g" 'magit-status)


>
> Perhaps you meant "C-c"? If I run 'emacs -Q' and type C-c and wait, I
> see "C-c-" 
> in the echo area (with the trailing hyphen). However, that's normal
> and the behavior of Emacs hasn't changed there in quite some time. The
> trailing hyphen advises the user to type another keystroke in that
> context.
>
> In the past, Emacs has had problems where the echo area wasn't cleared
> properly, and it sounds like you're seeing a bug in that
> area. However, I doubt whether any such bug is related to my recent
> changes to keyboard.c in the emacs-26 branch. As Eli suggested, to
> debug your problem we'll need a complete stand-alone recipe for
> reproducing your problem, starting from 'emacs -Q'.


  I'll try to get a minimal configuration.

  Thanks.






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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-03  1:16             ` Live System User
@ 2018-12-03  5:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-12-03 20:03                 ` Live System User
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-12-03  5:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Live System User; +Cc: eggert, 33571

> From: Live System User <nyc4bos@aol.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  33571@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 20:16:11 -0500
> 
>   Sorry, I meant to type:
> 
>          C-c g-
> 
>    which I have bound to "magit-status":
> 
> (defadvice magit-status (around magit-fullscreen activate)
>   (window-configuration-to-register :magit-fullscreen)
>   ad-do-it
>   (delete-other-windows))
> (global-set-key "\C-c\g" 'magit-status)

Sounds like something else in your customizations or the packages you
load defines "C-c g" as a prefix key.  Because if I bind "C-c g" to
some function and then type "C-c g", I see "C-C g" in the echo area,
not "C-c g-".





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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-03  5:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-12-03 20:03                 ` Live System User
  2018-12-03 20:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Live System User @ 2018-12-03 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: eggert, 33571

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Live System User <nyc4bos@aol.com>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  33571@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 20:16:11 -0500
>> 
>>   Sorry, I meant to type:
>> 
>>          C-c g-
>> 
>>    which I have bound to "magit-status":
>> 
>> (defadvice magit-status (around magit-fullscreen activate)
>>   (window-configuration-to-register :magit-fullscreen)
>>   ad-do-it
>>   (delete-other-windows))
>> (global-set-key "\C-c\g" 'magit-status)
>
> Sounds like something else in your customizations or the packages you
> load defines "C-c g" as a prefix key.  Because if I bind "C-c g" to
> some function and then type "C-c g", I see "C-C g" in the echo area,
> not "C-c g-".

  I'm still trying to put together the mimimal configuration.

  If "C-c g" is somehow being defined as a prefix  key, it's not
  showing up as such in "C-h b" (describe-bindings).

  Thanks.








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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-03 20:03                 ` Live System User
@ 2018-12-03 20:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-12-03 21:06                     ` Live System User
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-12-03 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Live System User; +Cc: eggert, 33571

> From: Live System User <nyc4bos@aol.com>
> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu,  33571@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 15:03:04 -0500
> 
>   If "C-c g" is somehow being defined as a prefix  key, it's not
>   showing up as such in "C-h b" (describe-bindings).

What do the below produce when evaluated?

  (global-key-binding "\C-cg")
  (local-key-binding "\C-cg")
  (minor-mode-key-binding "\C-cg")





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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-03 20:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-12-03 21:06                     ` Live System User
  2018-12-04  6:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Live System User @ 2018-12-03 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: eggert, 33571

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Live System User <nyc4bos@aol.com>
>> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu,  33571@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 15:03:04 -0500
>> 
>>   If "C-c g" is somehow being defined as a prefix  key, it's not
>>   showing up as such in "C-h b" (describe-bindings).
>
> What do the below produce when evaluated?
>
>   (global-key-binding "\C-cg")
>   (local-key-binding "\C-cg")
>   (minor-mode-key-binding "\C-cg")

    I did a switch-to-buffer *scratch* and evaluated.

    Here is the results for each:

magit-status
1 (#o1, #x1, ?\C-a)
nil

        Thanks.







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* bug#33571: 26.1.90; Artifacts in echo area
  2018-12-03 21:06                     ` Live System User
@ 2018-12-04  6:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-12-04  6:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Live System User; +Cc: eggert, 33571

> From: Live System User <nyc4bos@aol.com>
> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu,  33571@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:06:43 -0500
> 
> >   (global-key-binding "\C-cg")
> >   (local-key-binding "\C-cg")
> >   (minor-mode-key-binding "\C-cg")
> 
>     I did a switch-to-buffer *scratch* and evaluated.
> 
>     Here is the results for each:
> 
> magit-status
> 1 (#o1, #x1, ?\C-a)
> nil

Then perhaps something other than a binding is responsible for the
trailing dash in your "C-c g-" echo, although that is how Emacs echoes
prefix keys.  Bisect your customizations, if you cannot come up with a
minimal reproduction recipe.





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